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U.N. VOTE ON PALESTINE A LONG-AWAITED, MUCH DESERVED VICTORY FOR A PEOPLE ILLEGALLY DISPOSSESSED BY ISRAELI BELLIGERENCE … RECOGNITION SHOULD FORCE A REASSESSMENT OF U.S. ‘SANTA CLAUS’ RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL … WHY ISRAEL FLOPPED IN GENERAL ASSEMBLY

By DAN VALENTI

PLANET VALENTI News and Commentary

(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, TUESDAY, DEC. 4, 2012) — Today, we turn our attention to the long-smoldering hotbed-on-ammo-dump known as Middle East politics. The center, naturally, is the state of Israel.

Last week, the United National General Assembly approved Palestine as a non-member observer. The vote was 138 to 9, with 41 abstaining. It was a long-overdo recognition of the Palestinian people and their equally long overdo right to a homeland.

The U.N. vote combined an overwhelming recognition of Palestine with a much-deserved rejection of Israel, which engineered its own doom.

How badly did Israel botch “issue management” in this vote? Three ways:

* First, Israel first tried to keep the resolution from coming to a vote. It failed.

* Second, it next tried to defeat the move. It failed again, miserably.

* Third, after the U.N. acted, the country “scoffed that the vote meant noting. … Now even the United States is ticked off” (William Saletan, The Slate). It rather reminded THE PLANET of the kid who does everything, including back-stabbing, to get the lead in the school play. When he fails and is exposed, he says it didn’t matter to him anyway. After saying it meant nothing, Israel then announced more settlements on the West Bank and illegally withheld Palestinian tax revenues.

By its announcement of settlements, the government (not the people) of Israel once again revealed its true colors, loving war and shunning peace, for war, hostility, and terrorism are the mechanisms by which the current government finds its security.

Four Reasons Why Israel Flopped in the U.N.

 Saletan of The Slate had as good an analysis of why Israel failed so badly in the U.N., and we share some of that here. Saletan wrote that Israel lost the vote and alienated its friends because of four reasons:

(1) Unilateralism — Israel condemned the Palestinian appeal to the U.N. as “unilateral,” but  ”if most of the General Assembly’s nearly 200 members approve something, that something is, by definition, not unilateral. How did the Palestinians win the support of all those countries? By negotiating. They just weren’t negotiating with you. That’s how negotiation works: You have to offer the other side a better deal than they can get elsewhere.”

(2) Incitement— Israel accused Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, in his speech to the U.N., of trying to  ”incite” his followers. Saletan writes, “Give me a break. Yes, Abbas’ speech was full of purple invective about apartheid, colonialism, racism, and ethnic cleansing. That’s how an advocate talks when he’s pitching the plight of his people to an assembly full of countries that have suffered apartheid, colonialism, racism, and ethnic cleansing. Abbas thinks Israel has done a lot of evil things. Rebut him if you like. But you can’t just label this rhetoric “incitement” and claim that it makes peace talks impossible.

“Any honest look at Palestinian history will tell you two things. One, there’s been plenty of real incitement to violence against Israel. And two, this speech wasn’t part of it. While Hamas has championed violence, Abbas has steadily preached negotiation. “Our people cling to the right to defend themselves against aggression and occupation,” he told the General Assembly, but “they will continue their popular, peaceful resistance.” That’s a speech of incitement? Please.”

(3) Jewish State— “Since 1993, the Palestine Liberation Organization has acknowledged “the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.” Abbas has reaffirmed that commitment. ‘We did not come here seeking to delegitimize a State established years ago, and that is Israel,’ he told the General Assembly. What Palestinians demand, he stipulated, is the right ‘to live in peace and security alongside the State of Israel.’

“But Israel refuses to take yes for an answer, because Abbas fails to include the magic word Jewish. ‘You still refuse to recognize the Jewish state,’ Ambassador Prosor chided Abbas in a rebuttal address before the General Assembly. On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, Palestinians’ ‘unwillingness to accept a Jewish state in any borders whatsoever is the root of the conflict. … The Palestinian Authority is unwilling to move towards accepting the existence of the State of Israel.’

“Oy. Here’s how recognition works. You acknowledge the other state. You don’t tell it whether to be Jewish, Muslim, or Zoroastrian. Nor do you whine about Palestinians failing to call you a Jewish state, or failing to ensure that you’re named on every map, while you flagrantly withhold the same courtesy. In official Israeli statements since the U.N. vote, I find no acknowledgment of Palestinian territory. Instead, I find repeated references to ‘Judea and Samaria,’ coupled with an assertion that ‘Israel, as the state of the Jewish People, has a right and claim to areas, the status of which is under dispute, in the Land of Israel.’ That’s some chutzpah.”

(4) Diplomatic Terrorism — That the ridiculous, misapplied phrase that Israel Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman use for the Palestinian initiative in the U.N. Considering all the people who have died in the Middle East because of actual, literal terrorism, the use of the phrase “cheapens” it.

Time for U.S. to Pull the Plug on Billions in Israeli Propping Up

THE PLANET back again: The move by Israel to immediately commence building new housing for the West Bank of Gaza is another reminder that the U.S.’ blind multi-billion-dollar support for a country founded on terrorism, created by “scriptural” artifice, and maintained by political fear must stop. It won’t be, of course, because of the hold Israel has over American politicians, similar to the hold the United Educators of Pittsfield have over candidates for public office in the fair city. Keep in mind that the U.S. will send $3.25 billion to Israel in 2013, $3.1 billion of which is for “foreign military financing.” This does not include the annual payment to Israel of up to $80 million for the resettlement of Jewish refugees in Israel.

Only Afghanistan receives more each year from Uncle Sam. This aid should be the first cut made in the “fiscal cliff” actions. A U.S. defunding of Israel would force the country to seek peace with its Arab neighbors. Without making a strenuous effort, it is almost impossible to get a clear picture of Middle East politics by relying on U.S. mainstream media, which is pro-Israel to an embarrassing degree. The Arab world gets condemned as hostile by the actions of a few extremists when in fact it is by-and-large looking for the same thing that we seek: For people to live in peace. If the U.S. were to pull its funding from Israel, it would force the hand of the government and give strength to the peace movement there. Peace in the Middle East would have a much better chance than it does now.

When one examines the history of Israel’s artificial creation in 1948 and the U.S. involvement and subsequent actions, one can make a strong case for withdrawing financial support. Israel has a robust economy, 17th among the world’s 187 nations. Major industries include metal fabrication, manufacturing, processed foods, plastics, agriculture, venture capital, technology, biotech, energy, and diamonds. It has free trade agreements with numerous nations. Through the pursuit of peace with its Arab neighbors, Israel has a strong enough economy to be not just self-sufficiant but thriving.

The Arabic world has undergone historic changes in the past couple years, and that trend is accelerating. Cynical politicians in Israel and the U.S. have used that to their advantage. The so-called increased threats to Israel by Hezbollah and Iran, for example, which have little basis in reality, will most likely result in requests for additional money to be sent to Israel.

The only just solution to the Middle East crisis — Israel’s return to pre-1967 borders and the creation of an autonomous nation of Palestine — seems agreed upon by the reasonable elements on all sides of the crisis. This includes the view of ordinary people, who are weary of the decades of senseless war that Israel’s recalcitrance has produced.

The U.N. Vote: What Happened, Why, and the Consequences

Here is a review of what has happened to once again jeopardize the slim chances for peace in the region, compiled from various wire accounts:

Israel’s moves served as a harsh reminder to Palestinians — euphoric over the U.N. upgrade to observer status — that while they now have a state on paper, most of it remains under Israeli control.

“This is a doomsday scenario,” Daniel Seidemann of Ir Amim, a group that promotes coexistence in Jerusalem, said of the building plans.

Israel’s decision was bound to embarrass the United States, which was among just nine countries in the 193-member General Assembly to vote against accepting Palestine as a nonmember observer state.

Accelerated settlement construction could also set a more confrontational tone as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas weighs his next moves.

In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland criticized the Israeli announcement. “These actions are counterproductive and make it harder to resume direct negotiations or achieve a two-state solution,” she said.

Friday’s decision was taken by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and eight senior Cabinet ministers, according to the Israeli news website Ynet.

The plans include 3,000 new apartments in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, as well as preparations for new construction in other large West Bank settlements, including Maaleh Adumim, near east Jerusalem, said an Israeli government official.

Among the projects is an expansion of Maaleh Adumim, known as E-1, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the decision with reporters.

Successive U.S. administrations have pressured Israel not to build in E-1 because it would effectively cut off east Jerusalem from the West Bank and split the northern part of the territory from the southern part. Israel has said in the past it envisions 3,500 apartments there.

“E-1 will be the death of the two-state solution,” said Seidemann, referring to the establishment of a state of Palestine alongside Israel. “If the pronouncements are to be treated seriously, we are months away from the implementation of E-1. This is very serious and very problematic.”

Tzipi Livni, Israel’s former foreign minister and chief negotiator with the Palestinians, warned that “the decision to build thousands of housing units as punishment to the Palestinians only punishes Israel … (and) only isolates Israel further.”

Half a Million Jews Now Occupy West Bank, Illegally

Since 1967, the number of Israelis living in settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem has risen to half a million, compared with 2.7 million Palestinians in those areas, and continued construction makes partition of the land increasingly unlikely.

The new U.N. observer state status could enable the Palestinians to pursue possible war crimes charges against Israel at the International Criminal Court over settlement construction on war-won land.

In his speech to the U.N. on Thursday, Palestinian president  Abbas said he would coordinate with sympathetic countries and act responsibly, suggesting he would not seek confrontation with Israel.

“It is our right to get the membership of the ICC, but we don’t want to go to it now,” Abbas told reporters in New York on Friday, before the Israeli decision on new settlements became known. “We will not go unless we are attacked.”

Following Israel’s decision to accelerate settlement building, however, Abbas aide Saeb Erekat said the Palestinian leadership was studying its options. He would not elaborate.

Erekat accused Netanyahu of “defying the whole international community and insisting on destroying the two-state solution.”

The U.N. endorsed a Palestinian state in territories Israel captured in 1967. Abbas has said he is ready to negotiate the final borders with Israel, provided Netanyahu drops his refusal to use the 1967 lines as a starting point.

Abbas asserted Friday that a Palestinian demand for a settlement freeze ahead of negotiations still stands.

Abbas: ‘I’m Ready for Negotiations’

“I’m ready for negotiations,” Abbas said, rejecting Netanyahu’s portrayal of the demand for a settlement freeze as a precondition. “Is stopping settlement activities a precondition?” he said. “There are 15 Security Council resolutions that say settlements are an obstacle to peace.”

On the Israeli side, compromise on settlements seemed unlikely. Netanyahu is seeking re-election two months from now at the helm of a Likud party turned more hawkish since primaries earlier this week and in an electoral alliance with an ultra-nationalist pro-settler party.

Abbas returned Sunday to the West Bank, where Palestinians gave him a hero’s welcome. Israel did its best to throw a wet blanket over the Palestinian celebration, cutting off a cash transfer to Abbas’ government , but the move did little to dampen the joy and enthusiasm of about 5,000 Palestinians who welcomed Abbas outside his HQ in the West Bank city of Ramallah. The U.N. bid has given a boost to his standing, which has been suffering after years of failed peace efforts with Israel. At the same time, the rival Islamic militant group Hamas in Gaza has scored points domestically, after an eight-day cross-border conflict with Israel earlier this month.

Abbas aides say his top priority is to reconcile with Hamas, which seized Gaza from him in 2007 and has been running its own government there since then. Abbas heads the Palestinian Authority, a self-rule government that administers 38 percent of the West Bank, while he has no say in Israeli-annexed east Jerusalem.

The U.N. vote drew mixed reactions among Palestinians trying to reconcile global recognition with the limitations imposed by Israeli control, including border restrictions in Gaza.

Shahira Taleb, a 45-year-old Gaza housewife who has been unable to visit family in the West Bank because of an Israeli travel ban between the territories, was skeptical.

“I don’t know if it’s something that will change our life or is just a new paper added to thousands of papers issued over the past years in support of our cause,” she said, standing in line at a bakery.

But Talal Jafari, a 47-year-old shopkeeper in the West Bank city of Hebron, said for Palestinians, every victory counts. “The entire world supports us, and that by itself is great for us,” he said.

The Significance of the U.N. Vote

The Daily Mail reported that the move to upgrade the Palestinians to a nonmember observer state does not change much on the ground, but it carries deep potential significance.

The vote amounted to an international endorsement of the Palestinian position on future border arrangements with Israel and an overwhelming condemnation of Israeli settlements in the areas claimed by the Palestinians.

Netanyahu rejects a return to Israel’s 1967 lines. Israel remains in control in parts of the West Bank and considers east Jerusalem, the Palestinians’ hoped-for capital, an integral part of its capital.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242117/Palestinian-President-Mahmoud-Abbas-given-heros-welcome-gaining-UN-acceptance-people.html#ixzz2E1htPu3y
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A VIEW FROM THE PRO-ISRAELI VIEWPOINT

NOTE: THE PLANET is pleased to publish this piece from the other side of the argument. 
By Larry Klayman
WND.com
November 30, 2012
Special to PLANET VALENTI News and Commentary
Thursday’s lopsided vote in the United Nations General Assembly, granting “Palestinians” observer status (a de facto recognition of statehood in the West Bank and Gaza), enhanced my disdain for the entire U.S. government (yes, Republicans are responsible as well as the Obama administration) and the international community that enabled this outrage. With this newly minted observer status, which carried with it a resolution that Israel return to its 1967 borders as part of any final “two state solution,” the Palestinians also now can use the U.N.’s illegitimate and corrupt International Criminal Court to seek to have military brass and servicemen of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and others prosecuted on trumped up and bogus charges of war crimes.
Obviously, the pro-Muslim and anti-Israeli policies and actions of the Obama administration over the last four years did much to weaken resistance to granting full observer status and thus de facto statehood to the Palestinians. It is thus no wonder that the vote in the General Assembly was 138 countries in favor, 41 abstaining and only 9 opposed. Even American “allies,” such as Great Britain, Spain and Italy voted for tantamount statehood (Germany incredibly voted to abstain, finally shedding any pretense of post-World War II sensitivity to its having itself murdered over 6 million Jews), while Obama’s dishonest U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice dutifully but without conviction voted no – as she was required to do to avoid a revolt among the financially generous liberal Jewish donor base of the Democratic Party and its proxies, such as the pro-Obama leadership of AIPAC, the Jewish lobbying group based in Washington, D.C.
The protests of the Obama White House and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to the vote were thus only for show, and also for future political dough. They do not represent any real desire to head off a Palestinian state, which given the recent eight-day war with Hamas in Gaza as a reminder, would be a dagger in the heart of Israel.
And, where has the so-called Republican leadership been in pushing our government to lead the charge against this de facto Palestinian statehood? Long before the Nov. 6 presidential and congressional elections, whose results signal the death of the inept, embarrassing, and moribund modern-day Republican Party, there was little to no GOP opposition to the policies of the “Muslim in Chief” and his band of self-hating Jewish and gentile Marxists, bent on reducing not just the United States but Israel to inferior status in the world community.
Israel thus stands alone, with its confused and conflicted leadership led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who last week gave up on cleaning house in the rat-infested terrorist Palestinian stronghold of Gaza by agreeing to a meaningless cease-fire before finishing the job of destroying Hamas.
Netanyahu must now sober up. Israel’s leaders must put aside their own political machinations and gamesmanship leading up to their Jan. 22, 2013, elections and finally get down to business. The reality is that the Jewish state is now more strategically and dangerously isolated than ever, as it is surrounded by hostile nations, both externally and now even within its confines, which are gaining frightening ground in their desire to wipe it off the face of the map – and along with it Jews and Christians worldwide as part of the Muslim revolution over “infidels.” To be real, this is the primary thrust of Islam and its “god,” Allah (not just so-called radical Islam).
For the last four and more years, Netanyahu and most of the Israeli political establishment have talked a good game but have become gun shy in removing the root of most evil in the Middle East: the Iranian regime. During this time, the mullahs in Tehran have not only successfully quashed the freedom movement by imprisoning, torturing and executing its leaders, but by developing a nuclear capability to wage a second Holocaust with atomic weapons against the Jewish state and eventually its primary benefactor, the United States.
In addition, Iran has supplied rockets and other lethal military weapons to terrorist groups like Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, and others committed to the destruction of Israel. Other forms of Iran-supported terrorism against not just Israel, but also American troops in Afghanistan, where there has been a bounty placed on the head of each GI, have also proliferated.
Deferring to our illegitimate President Barack Hussein Obama, Netanyahu and company have gone along with ineffective and worthless economic sanctions against Iran and held back on eliminating Iran’s nuclear program and other terrorist activities by force. Now, Iran is more powerful and potentially immune from Israeli attack, unless Israel decides to use tactical nuclear weapons to destroy the Islamic state’s atomic and other military facilities. Were this tragic reality simply a rerun of an old Laurel and Hardy movie, one could simply say “a fine mess you’ve gotten us into, Mr. Obama.”
But this is hardly enough, and it is no joking matter. It is time for the prime minister and his compatriots to put aside politics and take whatever immediate steps are necessary to protect not only Israel but all Jews and Christians from the Islamic revolution led by Iran. Its time to destroy the ever-growing cancer of the Iranian regime, with tactical nuclear weapons if necessary, and not worry about the U.N., Palestinian statehood, the U.S. government or so-called Western allies.
I am a defiant and proud Zionist, and I pray that Netanyahu and company will now do what must be done to save us all. We may for the time being be here on earth, but the real God in heaven is on our side. This God gave us the sacred land of Israel, and we have a duty to protect, maintain and preserve it for ourselves and our progeny. If Israel ceases to exist, so, too, will Jewry and Christianity.
In the words of Danny Danon, the deputy speaker of the Knesset and a member of Netanyahu’s Likud Party, one of the Israeli leaders who has the requisite courage, Israel must draw alone on its “will to prevail, before it is too late.” I urge you to read Danon’s recently published book, “Israel: The Will to Prevail” (Palgrave McMillan 2012).
Larry Klayman is a former Justice Department prosecutor and the founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch. His latest book is “Whores: Why and How I Came to Fight the Establishment.”
For an interview with Mr. Klayman, email leklayman@yahoo.com. See also www.freedomwatchusa.org.
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THE PLANET disagrees strongly with Klayman’s analysis (the reference to the President as “Barack Hussein Obama” is the biggest tip-off), but we wish to present his views in the effort to provide our readers with more information than less.

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‘Compel Netanyahu to Reverse Course, Before It Is Too Late’

Finally, here is the view of Lara Friedman of Americans for Peace Now, an Israeli-based peace group.  Friedman sent this letter to THE PLANET:

Last week, in a resounding vote of confidence for the two-state solution, the UN voted to upgrade the status of the Palestinians to that of “non-member observer state.”

Rather than recognize this vote as a huge achievement for Israel – an achievement in which the entire Arab and Muslim worlds voted for a future Middle East that will be home to both Israel and Palestine – the Netanyahu government decided to exploit the vote as an opportunity to take actions that could well close the door on the two state-solution. 

Tell Secretary Clinton that if the Obama Administration is truly committed to Israel’s security and its viability, it must intervene and compel the Netanyahu government to reverse its reckless, provocative, and dangerous decisions. 

These include the announcement of the approval of 3000 new settlement units in the West Bank and East Jerusalem – an announcement that, on its own, sends a message that Prime MInister Netanyahu is eager to undermine Abbas and pander to his right-wing political base in the run-up to Israeli elections early next year. 

Tell Secretary Clinton: Get tough now. If not now, soon it will be too late.

But that wasn’t all. The Netanyahu government decided to move ahead with the E-1 settlement – the construction of which virtually everyone agrees is a potential death blow to the viability of the two-state solution. E-1 would, by design, block off the narrow undeveloped land corridor which runs east of Jerusalem and which is necessary for any meaningful future connection between the southern and the northern parts of the West Bank. It would thus break the West Bank into two parts – north and south. It would also sever access to East Jerusalem for Palestinians in the West Bank, and sever access to the West Bank for Palestinian residents of East Jerusalem. Both of these situations are antithetical to the achievement of any real, durable peace agreement and the establishment of a viable, contiguous Palestinian state. 

Tell Secretary Clinton that if President Bush could convince Prime Minister Sharon to stop E-1, President Obama can certainly convince Netanyahu to do the same.

And that still wasn’t all. The Netanyahu government has also announced that it will withhold tax revenues it owes to the Palestinian Authority – a move that further undermines President Abbas and threatens to collapse the Palestinian Authority.

Tell Secretary Clinton that unless the Obama Administration gets serious, now, about pressuring Netanyahu, President Obama will share responsibility with Netanyahu for the loss of the two-state solution.

APN is a non-partisan, group established in 1981 to mobilize support for the Israeli peace movement, Shalom Achshav (Peace Now). It is based in Washington, D.C. Its e-mail address is apndc@peacenow.org.

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“ONE DAY I WOULD BE A BETTER HAND AT THE GAME. ONE DAY, I WOULD LEARN HOW TO LAUGH. PABLO WAS WAITING FOR Me, AND MOZART, TOO.” — THE CLOSING LINES OF STEPPENWOLF BY HERMANN HESSE.

“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.

LOVE TO ALL.

 

42 Responses to “U.N. VOTE ON PALESTINE A LONG-AWAITED, MUCH DESERVED VICTORY FOR A PEOPLE ILLEGALLY DISPOSSESSED BY ISRAELI BELLIGERENCE … RECOGNITION SHOULD FORCE A REASSESSMENT OF U.S. ‘SANTA CLAUS’ RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL … WHY ISRAEL FLOPPED IN GENERAL ASSEMBLY”

  1. Still wondering
    December 4, 2012 at 7:35 am #

    If the Arabs put down their weapons, there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their weapons, Israel would cease to exist.
    Ben said that too.

    • Jonathan Melle
      December 4, 2012 at 11:49 am #

      Whatever happened to Human Rights for everyone?

    • Jim Gleason
      December 5, 2012 at 8:44 am #

      Palestinians are terrorists, Israel is trying to protect itself from terrorists, in my humble opinion.Israel has to be belligerent to survive in the midst of Arab dominance and more power to them, I say.

  2. Layla Lady Lay
    December 4, 2012 at 11:35 am #

    Still, I have to disagree. If Israel puts down its arms and agrees to share the land with the Arabs, there will be peace. I like Dan’s point about how the mainstream media in the US makes the Arabs seem like terrorists and the Israelis seem like saints.

    • danvalenti
      December 4, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

      LADY
      To search for the truth requires an open mind. Unfortunately, when the topic is the Middle East in general, and the U.S.-israeli relationship in particular, an open mind (along with reason, logic, and facts) is rarely found.

  3. Still wondering
    December 4, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    Layla lives in La-La land.

  4. Blind Justice
    December 4, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    Dan if you really like U.N. stuff you must love the small arms treaty being pushed by both our (well not mine) elected Sovereign/ruler Barry and his henchwoman, Hildebeast Clintoon!

    It basically is a way around OUR 2nd amendment rights via a FOREIGN TREATY. Yes no change to our Constitution, just a SLEAZY attempt to take away rights of Americans. Thanks Barry!!!

    The right to bear arms (no exception here ) shall not be infringed…..

    Should that along with things like FREEDOM OF SPEECH, be subject to back door negotiations?

    If so you might have to revise your Turkey award.

    • Joe Blow
      December 4, 2012 at 12:46 pm #

      Just look at the membership on the UN’s Human Rights Council..what a joke.

      • danvalenti
        December 4, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

        JOE
        If it’s a joke, I don’t “get” it. The U.N. Human Rights Council consists of 47 member states. They are elected by a majority of the members of the General Assembly. The ballot is secret. Seats are distributed as follows: Africa, 13 seats. Asia, 13 seats. Latin America, 8 seats. Western Europe and other states, 7 seats. Eastern Europe, 6 seats. Check out its work.

        • Joe Blow
          December 4, 2012 at 3:05 pm #

          Dan, some of the elected member states have a piss poor record on human rights.

    • Scott
      December 4, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

      What is he doing to keep guns out of the hands of Americans? I haven’t heard anything yet. And you can still buy an M1 so I don’t know what that was all about four years ago. The guys at the shows had signs stating you must act and buy one before Obama bans them. I think all they do with gun talk is drive sales to be honest with you. The way they sensationalize any crime with a gun is nuts.

      • Blind Justice
        December 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm #

        Hey Scott, wake up.

        When one right is taken, the rest are soon to follow.

        http://goal.org/newspages/obama_2anews.html

        http://gunowners.org/a11282012.htm

        • Bain hater
          December 4, 2012 at 3:48 pm #

          Blind man. I hunt and own 6 hunting guns. I just think no one needs to own Uzis. I don’t own a pistol but don’t condone them

          • Blind Justice
            December 4, 2012 at 4:53 pm #

            The 2nd amendment is not about hunting.

            i.e.

            Suppose you own 6 typewriters, but the UN should ban that evil computer you are using. No one needs one!!! As our constitutional protections don’t matter in the GOBAL scheme of things.

          • Scott
            December 4, 2012 at 6:00 pm #

            Hey man spitting a couple hundred rounds a min at a target sounds like fun to me.

          • Bain hater
            December 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm #

            Blind man. I might have a A bomb in my basement and I will never use it….. But does that make it ok to own it?

          • Blind Justice
            December 4, 2012 at 6:57 pm #

            Vain Hater, keep your computer with the A-bomb, in your basement, never use either, I will feel warm and fuzzy and America will be safe from tyranny

          • danvalenti
            December 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm #

            Gee, and I thought I had the only computer with an A-Bomb in it.

          • Blind Justice
            December 4, 2012 at 7:57 pm #

            Sorry Dan,

            Comma needed after computer, NOT a comma after A-bomb, a semi-colon after either.

            Better? : )

          • danvalenti
            December 5, 2012 at 7:05 am #

            BJ
            That’s cool.

        • Scott
          December 4, 2012 at 5:59 pm #

          I am awake I provided you with evidence that you’re paranoid Obama’s not going after guns. He wouldn’t even commit to anything when questioned by the Colorado folks on gun control.

    • danvalenti
      December 4, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

      BLIND
      The issue isn’t the makeup of the U.N. but of the behavior of both Israel and Palestine since 1948. Our one-sided, blind support of Israel has long outlived any strategic importance it once might have had. The only strategic interest for the U.S. in the Mideast right now is peace. Same is true for Israel and the Arabs.

      • Blind Justice
        December 4, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

        Dan I agree, except about the makeup of the UN and it’s utility. It has been an utter failure since it’s inception.

        Further, the UN is an ineffective money pit for America.

        Lets get out of the UN and take care of America. Also no nation building or propping up puppets.

        I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and Gary Johnson in the election. Both would have got the USA back to thinking about Americans, instead of the UN, the global economy, or corporate interests.

        If we did that, there would be plenty to pay for things like healthcare, SS, infrastructure…………and defense. The latter being our borders and citizens when/if abroad. Not arming 1/2 the world and wielding a bully pulpit.

  5. tito
    December 4, 2012 at 3:24 pm #

    Planet is correct, and since 1948 the only thing that has changed, is the participants have gone from throwing rocks to rockets.

    • Blind Justice
      December 4, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

      They’ve been throwing rocks since before David and Goliath.

      You can HOPE, but some things will never CHANGE.

  6. tito
    December 4, 2012 at 6:51 pm #

    Rocks yes, but not rockets. Bejay.

  7. GMHeller
    December 5, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    Israeli belligerence?
    Was it belligerent Israelis who launched hundreds of rockets into Israeli territory?
    Valenti, the Palestinian Authority is an utterly corrupt regime that has stolen literally billions and billions of dollars from its own people (starting with Yassir Arafat who stole a fortune in PA money and deposited it in Swiss bank accounts), and has squandered every single opportunity it has ever had to obtain a long-lasting peace.
    As long as PA won’t recognize Israel’s right to exist, it dooms itself to inconsequence, while labeling itself an enemy to peace and common sense.
    Blame PA’s corrupt leaders, not Israel’s response to that stupidity.

    • danvalenti
      December 6, 2012 at 8:54 pm #

      HELLER
      Ah, but the PA has recognized Israel’s right to exist. Corrupt leadership, it is true, has hampered the chances of peace in the region, but it has been equal on both sides.

      • GMHeller
        December 7, 2012 at 8:34 am #

        Valenti,
        Provide a link to what you claim is PA’s official recognition of Israel’s right to exist.

        • danvalenti
          December 7, 2012 at 9:29 am #

          I shall not do your research for you. Just open your mind a bit and look honestly.

  8. GMHeller
    December 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm #

    Valenti,
    You are making the claim that “PA has recognized Israel’s right to exist”.
    All you are being asked to do is to back up your claim with facts or citations or links to a news source that would bear out your claim.
    If PA were currently recognizing Israel’s right to exist, then the two parties would not now be in military conflict.

    • danvalenti
      December 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm #

      GMH
      Hamas, the PA, and others have recognized a two-state solution and Israel’s right to exist. That is common knowledge. They do not recognize fundamental Zionism, and on that, the world agrees. Those are two different things.

  9. GMHeller
    December 7, 2012 at 12:04 pm #

    Here are links to articles which refute your claim that PA recognizes Israel’s right to exist:

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/palestinian-authority-continues-to-deny-israels-right-to-exist.html

  10. GMHeller
    December 7, 2012 at 12:10 pm #

    Valenti,
    How much more evidence do you require to persuade you that PA at present does NOT recognize Israel’s right to exist?

  11. GMHeller
    December 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=433

  12. GMHeller
    December 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm #

    Valenti, with the weight of all the above evidence, please correct your patently ridiculous claim that the “PA has recognized Israel’s right to exist.”

  13. GMHeller
    December 10, 2012 at 1:50 am #

    Valenti,
    More proof that PA and Hamas have no plans whatsoever to recognize Israel’s right to exist.
    Here’s an article from today’s New York Times:
    “Leader Celebrates Founding of Hamas With Defiant Speech”
    SEE:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/world/middleeast/khaled-meshal-hamas-leader-delivers-defiant-speech-on-anniversary-celebration.html?smid=pl-share

    • danvalenti
      December 10, 2012 at 9:03 pm #

      GMH
      Thank you for your contributions.