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ASSERTIONS AND REFUTATIONS ABOUT ADDICTS: A DEBATE

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BY DAN VALENTI

PLANET VALENTI NEWS AND COMMENTARY

[ED. NOTE: Those who tied Tuesday morning until about 1 p.m. to access and post comments on THE PLANET could not do so because of a systemwide server problem. The IT guys corrected that. Access and commenting should now be good to go.]

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(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, MONDAY FEB. 13, 2023) — In response to The Weekend Edition’s story about Narcan, THE PLANET received a detailed counter argument from Brian Andrews, head of County Ambulance, a company kept mighty busy by the drug trade in Pittsfield.

His critique was well presented, and we thanked him for it.

That does not, however, imply agreement. As a lesson in argumentation and debate, his case had many flaws. Today, we show you where some of the holes are.

We love the art and science of debate, and so we thank Mr. Andrews again, this time for the exercise.

As a side benefit, the discussion will once again bring to the front an issue that is sending the city, literally, into the hands of gangs and criminals.

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MR. ANDREWS: Sadly, but not surprisingly I was hoping for better from people on this subject. Most of these negative comments are from folks that have never had to face the reality of substance use disorder (SUDS) in a family member, loved one or friend. (Or maybe you are just an unsympathetic, or evil person who finds joy in others demise) It is hard to believe that the naysayers have not been effected in some way as this illness is so prevalent in our society to the tune of over 2.1 million people in our country. I know most of what I will say will fall on deaf ears, but I will never give up my fight to stop the stigma associated with SUDs which contributes to those effected in not seeking recovery.

THE PLANET: You write you were “hoping for better from people.” Might we not put that same question to those who continue abuse drugs? In fact, might it not be better put to them and not the decent, ordinary, hard-working, taxpaying folks who end up paying the social price of addiction? SUDS has a stigma that’s well deserved, not because it’s a character flaw but because of its selfishness in perpetuating so much heartbreak and chaos. 

MR. ANDREWS: I know the first thing Mr. Valenti throws out, is that addiction is a choice. It is not a choice in most cases. I have had family members that are in long term recovery from SUDs and they didn’t make a choice to wake up and crave drugs. They like so many others, were led down a path of over zealous pain management for injuries/illnesses they suffered. They were prescribed opiates by doctors that didn’t have the knowledge to effectively manage pain, caused mostly by Big Pharma who told all healthcare professionals, “Prescribe freely, these aren’t addictive.” We all know now how wrong they were and their motivation. SUDs is not a new problem, it has been around a very long time but exploded due to the misinformation spread by Big Pharma in an effort to line their pockets. Opiates can be used effectively to manage pain but must be managed properly. Let me tell you a story. Due to a extremely painful battle with osteomyelitis of my lumbar spine which caused sepsis (and accidentally revealed a pulsating aortic aneurysm waiting to kill me), I was on very potent and high dose pain medication in Baystate Medical Center’s ICU for a month back in 2012. When I was recovering from the illness they properly titrated my doses and weaned me off the pain medication the proper way. I left the hospital never to take another pain medication. That is not always the case. As was the case with my family members, their illness injury was not properly managed and the doctors just yanked the proverbial pain medication out from underneath them with no weaning. They were left with unmanaged pain and a craving for the pain medication that was over prescribed to them for months.

THE PLANET: “It is not a choice in most cases.” It depends on how you define “choice” and “free will.” Every addict, even those who become hooked due to issues involving pain management and prescribed opiates, at some point must make a free-will decision to continue down that path of destruction or not. Free will is the application of a person’s intentioned determination to follow a particular course of action, up or down, right or wrong, constructive or destructive. Those who seek and accept treatment have made a choice. Those who don’t, who decide to keep ingesting the death, do as well. The process is exactly the same for the person who has never taken or abused drugs, the person who has and but quits, and the one who decides remain addicted. Mr. Andrews should know better than anyone, other than and addict, that to be “addicted” does not provide license to remain that way. 

MR. ANDREWS: The other problem that has occurred is the proliferation of fentanyl in almost every drug in this country. There are local recreational cocaine users that have been found overdosed from fentanyl. Their first reaction is “I didn’t use fentanyl, I was just using a little cocaine.” (I do not condone this) Unknowingly, they consumed a deadly amount of fentanyl. How does this happen? There are some things we know and some that we can only theorize. One of the things we do know is illegal drugs are big business in this country. Drug dealers are often getting involved in many different types of drugs to sell, so they are bagging up their weed, and breaking down there coke into smaller street quantity packages on the same table they are cutting their heroin and fentanyl. These are not rocket scientists or licensed pharmacists using quality control and sterile packaging techniques. And all of this fentanyl is coming from China. China is producing fentanyl in great quantities as well as selling all the chemical components needed to make your own fentanyl, using the Mexican cartels in many cases to get these into our country. This is a concerted effort, in my humble opinion and many others, to inflict damage on our population making us a weaker country.

THE PLANET: In this section, Mr. Andrews makes our case (not his) in a way we could not top. Drug dealers are driven solely by money. They are ruthless in that pursuit. Their products are dangerous. We know that. Society knows that. Those involved in the drug trade know that at an expert’s level … and yet … addicts continue to play the risky game. Knowing the prevalence of fentanyl nonetheless does not deter them from using. Irrespective of HOW one becomes addicted, the continuance of drug taking involves the decision, the choice, to do so. For whatever reason, they freely gamble with their very lives. There’s an old saying in gambling. If you can’t afford to lose, don’t play the game. If you play the game, you accept the risk.

MR. ANDREWS: But back to stigma. We know SUDs is a disease causing changes to the brain. It is driven by physical changes, psychological changes and physiological changes. I know I will be told I’m wrong in this forum but the science is clear. Many people who have this disease often have preexisting mental health issues that are untreated, lack the social support necessary to help them in their situation. Another thing we know is, people will do better when they have the mental health services and social support network that will encourage them to enter recovery and deals with SUDs. But when people stigmatize those with SUDs, which is evident in most of the comments I have read on this forum before undertaking this post.

THE PLANET: First, the science is not as clear as Mr. Andrews suggests. Nonetheless, let’s grant the point. The issue then becomes one of support vs. affordability. Recidivism rates among addicts are astronomically high [pun, unintended]. Does it makes sense for society to pour money down the sink hole if 98% of it is wasted? Is the 2% worth it? This is public money. The economics are clear. What about the morality of the situation? Why is it more “moral” to revive an addict with Narcan, only to keep the misery going? Why is it more moral, if you know that most of the time you will make the problem worse? Why is it more moral that 2% wins over 98%? Why do we have to agree with the current “fad” to send the most public assistance to people who are the worst citizens? We see it in the schools, with housing, with immigration, and with addiction. Why is it a good thing to keep wasting money this way? Why does the problem get worse, the more public money we throw at it? Mr. Andrews thinks if you do not agree with his position, then you must be “an evil person who finds joy in others [sic] demise. He assumes such a person has not been personally touched by the pain of drug abuse. It’s a faulty assumption. In fact, those who have had their families wrecked are often the most adamant about not supplying the means — again with public money — for addicts to perpetuate the pain. Narcan? More like Narcan’t. Mr. Andrews need to realize that people who don’t agree with him aren’t “evil.”

MR. ANDREWS: Narcan is part of a harm reduction strategy to help them. Harm reduction can help reduce the threat of death until the person is ready to seek recovery. You cannot force recovery on anyone. They must be ready to seek treatment and seek a path of recovery. We know the war on drugs has been a colossal failure. You cannot jail yourself out of this mess is a mantra you will hear over and over from the law enforcement community, the substance treatment community and civil rights community. We can only offer the services needed for recovery and hope they will seek recovery sooner rather than later. Narcan is no different than any other medication available to treat disease. Would we not provide chemotherapy because the patient may still participate in activities that may have contributed to their cancer? Would we deprive a patient with hypertension the use of antihypertensives because they might not start exercising or reducing their sodium consumption? Would we deprive a diabetic insulin because they may not follow a strict diet to manage their diabetes? The answer is no, no and no. The patient who suffers from the disease that causes them to seek illegal medications should not be deprived a medication that can extend their life until they can successfully seek long term recovery. Also remember that the death of an overdose effects more than just them, it effects their loved ones (siblings, children, parents, etc.). It effects costs on our health care system which we all suffer. The effects felt by the loss of an overdose is far reaching and not anything anyone should ever wish upon anyone.

THE PLANET: Again, Mr. Andrews makes our case when he writes: “You cannot force recovery on anyone. They must be ready to seek treatment and seek a path of recovery.” Precisely, which leads us back to choice and free will. Prior to a shot of Narcan, the person has obviously NOT sought treatment or recovery — despite all the services, all the education, all the pleading from family and loved ones — so what are the chances they will want to seek recovery after being brought back to life? Unlikely at best. Mr. Andrews’ example of denying a cancer patient chemo is specious and spurious, a red herring in a deep crimson hue. Contracting cancer cannot be equated with the choice to continue as a drug addict. A cancer patient can’t “just say no” to the cause of the disease and get clean. A junkie can.

MR. ANDREWS: I would suggest you visit https://harmreduction.org/about-us/principles-of-harm-reduction/ to learn about the principles behind harm reduction. I have had to deal with many negative effects substance use disorder has heaped on ones I love, up to and including death. All which I had little to no control over. And I totally get people that are bitter and angry at relatives that suffer from this disease and caused you to suffer personally. Hell, I have been bitter at some of my loved ones because of this but at the end of the day I remember we are all flesh and blood human beings that deserve our patience and help when we can give it. This could happen to any of us and if you don’t believe this your are very naïve and sadly mistaken.

THE PLANET: Yes. We have agreement on this point. 

MR. ANDREWS: I am prepared to get kicked around due to this post by any that take the time and effort to read my post. I understand that there are many many people that don’t understand this subject and aren’t open minded enough to get educated but if my getting kicked around and lambasted in this forum causes even one person to seek understanding of this complex illness then it is all worth it. And anyone that is ready to throw insults or question what I say, I would ask you to have the cajones enough to put your real name like I have done and meet me in person to discus this subject over coffee in person.

THE PLANET: To say that those who don’t agree with him “are not open enough to get educated” is an old debating trick, one related to ad hominem, one that’s at best mildly effective but almost always usually counterproductive. At worst, it blows up the person’s argument, which it does here. THE PLANET has the cajones to attach our name, and Brian, we accept your invitation to coffee.

MR. ANDREWS: Thanks for those that may have taken the time to read this long post that I could have gone on for much more.

THE PLANET: Again, thank you Brian Andrews. You have a set of beliefs. You argue cogently on their behalf. You signed your name to it. Well done. We have no doubt it will be of use.

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My great religion is a belief in the blood, the flesh being wiser than the intellect” — D. H. Lawrence.

“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.”

LOVE TO ALL.

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Jonathan A. Melle
Jonathan A. Melle
1 year ago

My response to (Stockbridge) blogger Dan Valenti and Brian Andrews, head of (Berkshire) County Ambulance is that mental health, addiction(s) and substance use disorder(s), abusive conflict and violence, and so on, is that we all experience it one way or another in our lives whether it is a first-hand negative experience(s) or watching a loved one and/or close friend go through it. As a service-connected disabled Veteran, I am a proud peer support for my fellow Veterans and everyone else I know in my life. When I LISTEN to people, it is usually a combination of difficult things in their lives that cause a person to “go down the proverbial rabbit hole”. Nobody – past, present & future – is perfect in life. Nobody makes choices that leads to uncontrollable and or involuntary negative thoughts and behaviors, addiction(s), homicidal and/or suicidal ideation(s), disabilities, and so on. We all need help during our lives. Blogger Dan Valenti’s personal choice seems to be to let vulnerable people sink, while Brian Andrews personal and professional choice seems to be to help vulnerable people swim. In my adult life, I have always given my money to charities, especially for babies and animals, because I believe that everyone deserves to have an equal chance in life. I dislike it when people tell me to do what is in my best interests even if me doing so leaves people without hope that there are good people out there who care about them. Lastly, when I break down the financial numbers, state governments spend more than 50 percent of their budgets on public health, while the federal government spends more than at least 34 percent of its budget on public health – I dislike that big insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies profit from it instead of spending the money on universal healthcare. We are talking about trillions of state and federal tax dollars per year being spent on public health. That is a big chunk of our nation’s economy, which means that the money is there to help vulnerable people in need of public healthcare services. Get Well and Be Well everyone!

Markus Aurelius
Markus Aurelius
Reply to  Jonathan A. Melle
1 year ago

JM, let me interject a little into your post.

First, Brian Andrews has a huge financial interest in “trying to help vulnerable people.” His post was very informative and spoke the correct “harm reduction” talking points. I’m just not buying his “holistic approach” to it all. Money is his company’s motivator and driving force. An addict has to want to change. I’ve seen enough shows like “Intervention,” to know at one point you have to cut bait with an addict, or you are doing nothing more than enabling their addiction.

JM ever had to take a ride in an ambulance or had a family member need one? Did you take a look at the bill?

If a person OD and dies on the street, no transport fee, no EMT fees, and nothing for any other fee tagged on an ambulance ride to the ER.

We all get you are for “harm reduction,” as opposed to jail. You do not and have not paid taxes into the system, so your opinion is flawed IMO. If you watched your tax money get pi$$ed away on project doomed to fail from the get go, you’d probably think differently.

Ask the Lenox shop owners how “harm reduction” over WW’s term went.

Jonathan A. Melle
Jonathan A. Melle
Reply to  Markus Aurelius
1 year ago

You, as a Veteran yourself, can go on blaming me for being a disabled Veteran, but please stop blaming former Berkshire County District Attorney Andrea Harrington’s 4 years in elected office for Pittsfield always being in the 10 ten cities in Massachusetts for violent crime, according to the FBI’s annual reports, that go back decades. Pittsfield has over 1,000 gang members living in its inner-city neighborhoods. The low- to moderate-income residents are afraid of the violence, drugs, prostitution, and the like, and I read their letters to the editor over the years, and they said they don’t have enough money to live somewhere else. When I was a youth growing up in Pittsfield in the 1980s and 1990s, I hoped that I wouldn’t end up living in inner-city Pittsfield. Now that I am 47.5 years old, I am thankful that I live in a nice little town west of Nashua, NH. My wish came true that I didn’t have to deal with it in Pittsfield like so many distressed people I observed many years ago. Lastly, I am sure that the greedy career Ambulance chasing, Divorce Attorney who after 18 years of seeking his plum elected position of Berkshire County District Attorney, Tim Shugrue, is NOT going to change much for the better in Pittsfield with his tough on shoplifting policies. Like all of the other useless career politicians, D.A. Tim Shugrue doesn’t really give a shit about Pittsfield being a shithole!

Optimus Prime
Optimus Prime
Reply to  Jonathan A. Melle
1 year ago

Word on the streets in Pittsfield and the rest of Berkshire County is that criminals and activists that support reform for them are upset more than ever that Harrington lost the election, because they are now at least being held accountable in some shape or form for their criminal activities. No one blamed Harrington for B.C.’s criminal activity! They blamed her for not doing anything much about holding people accountable for their actions while she was in office. You wordsmith (spin) a good game and that’s about it.

Markus Aurelius
Markus Aurelius
Reply to  Jonathan A. Melle
1 year ago

JM where in my post did I blame you for Pittsfield’s crime problem? I didn’t. I pointed out that you enjoy spouting out your support for “harm reduction” and/or “social justice,” for addicts and criminals in Pittsfield from 100+ miles away.

As I’ve stated to you before, as easily as you get offended by mean tweets, Guy talk, and/or whatever else triggers you, I’d love to see you live for a year in the Westside or Morningside of Pittsfield among the gang and gun violence. A prisoner in your own home.

I’d bet my pension you’d be posting on here and elsewhere, much different themed posts.

12 Gauge
12 Gauge
1 year ago

Andrews is quite the cyber bully who is Pittsfield’s greatest expert on everything. If you don’t believe it just ask him.

Tyrell Scodak
Tyrell Scodak
Reply to  12 Gauge
1 year ago

So isn’t the stooge. He has Curtis on steamrolling his smarter than thou spiel.

Ham Anex
Ham Anex
Reply to  12 Gauge
1 year ago

He’s almost as smart as Melle.

Pat
Pat
1 year ago

I’m not mad at the addicts, I’m mad at our government that is killing these addicts instead of trying to help them. Fentanyl will kill them right away, within minutes, before they can even think of any chance of rehab. We need our borders closed to stop the flow of Fentanyl from China into our country. Also, it’s not just addicts dying from Fentanyl. Many people who ordered pills online have died after Fentanyl was found in the medication. Kids have ingested it in candy. Everyone is at risk until we stop the flow of it from China.

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In Da Know
In Da Know
1 year ago

Great game last night. Best half time performance in Super Bowl history. Five stars.

Get Over It
Get Over It
Reply to  In Da Know
1 year ago

It was horrible

Gobsig
Gobsig
Reply to  Get Over It
1 year ago

You needed about half a bottle of cheap vodka to understand In Da No taste’s perspective

Paul
Paul
1 year ago

Narcan just allows people to be more irresponsible. They are doing something that they clearly know is dangerous. Narcan allows them to play the game without consequences.
Mr Andrew’s doesn’t mention the victims of the the drug users. They perpetuate a lot of crime to support their habit. They victimize the very people that has to pay for their cherished Narcan.
Mr Andrew’s tells a one sided story. But then agine, his industry profits greatly from these drug using dropouts. I’m sorry but cry me a river. I’m sick of this crap where people refuse to take responsibility for themselves.

fizzlehead
fizzlehead
Reply to  Paul
1 year ago

What would we find if it were possible to track all those who have been administered Narcan, once or more, a year after first dose? Where in their lives would they be? No longer using? Using more than ever? Dead?
Might be interesting to see the breakdown. How many were scared so much they never used again and how many thought WOW I am invincible so please give me more drugs? Anybody ever care to check or might it show a slant they would rather not talk about? Serious questions.

Optimus Prime
Optimus Prime
Reply to  fizzlehead
1 year ago

Excellent post Fizz! With this data gathering driven world you would think they would have some data on what you mentioned. Some data isn’t wanted when it reflects poorly on certain issues.

Peet
Peet
Reply to  Paul
1 year ago

When the addict is revived with NARCoticAgaiN all they want is to get more high and they are angry too for losing that lights out high they were just saved from. They need to have a card in their pocket that says dnr. Let them do them, I choose not to partake but that doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced the wrath of an addict. After so much you realize that person is beyond mending. Corrupt indefinitely.

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Totally Lokull
Totally Lokull
Reply to  Paul
1 year ago

Let’s hope fritz and Dan didn’t bet the farm on Philly. Syracuse was bad enough.

bonner
bonner
Reply to  Totally Lokull
1 year ago

To repeat, Mahomes puts the Hurt on Hurts. Eagles lose.

Peet
Peet
1 year ago

They’ve moved on to Dams now. So scawwy

The Downtown Umbrella Guy
The Downtown Umbrella Guy
1 year ago

I won’t call Brian a bleeding heart, maybe he has more compassion for these people. BUT he more than likely has not experienced what it’s like to deal with them, Stolen items or money, scams and sob stories to get high. Went away for the weekend and, OOPS all your copper is gone from the basement. Broken marriages, kids raised by grandparents, Parents of adult addicts getting threatened or actually assaulted by their child. The list goes on.

Then again, Brian makes a LOT of money with his repeat customers. And he’s so busy with them that if you have a legitimate medical emergency then it’s (Ambulance unavailable) in the police logs while you wait for a surrounding town to get you to the hospital in a speedy 35 minutes.

Gobsig
Gobsig
Reply to  The Downtown Umbrella Guy
1 year ago

Good ole Narcandrews!

Brian Andrews
Brian Andrews
Reply to  The Downtown Umbrella Guy
1 year ago

Thanks for your thoughts The Downtown Umbrella Guy. IAs I state in my response that I hope Dan will post I have been personally effected by this disease. I have directly suffered personal loss due to addiction. I have suffered tremendous financial loss, stress and many other things that have affected me in a negative fashion. I have come home from a weekend away to find jewelry gone, new TV’s gone, etc, I get it I have been angry and I have been bitter. I just have worked to try and take that negative feeling and channel it into helping others.

I really don’t make a LOT of money with these calls. Many of the individuals are either uninsured or on public assistance that pays less than the cost of responding. I agree wherever we can reduce the demand on the healthcare system we are doing the right thing whether it makes or costs us money. And the need for mutual aid from other towns is a reflection of a national problem of reduced staff effecting all disciplines of public safety and not one of the type of calls we are on. That is another gathering storm effecting EMS world wide.

Thank you for your respectful comments.

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Gobsig
Gobsig
Reply to  Brian Andrews
1 year ago

Mr. Narcandrews, how much do you ambulance personnel make?

bonner
bonner
1 year ago

For those who disagree with Mr Andrews, I’d be interested in knowing whether they feel the same way if the SUDS population is the OxyContin-addicted blue-collar workers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, W Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.

Totally Lokull
Totally Lokull
Reply to  bonner
1 year ago

I like Brian and consider him a long time stalwart of serving the community with his ambulance work. I doubt very seriously he isn’t sincere in his speech. He makes good points as does Dan.

Paris
Paris
Reply to  Totally Lokull
1 year ago

Worst half time show in super bowl history. What was it all about? Lots of screaming and noise and very little entertainment. What was her name? I would never go to a show where she is featured again. A total disgrace

Totally Lokull
Totally Lokull
Reply to  Paris
1 year ago

Can you believe she’s a billionaire?

Brian Andrews
Brian Andrews
1 year ago

Going against the advice of friends, I think I’d like to respond to your latest post Dan.

I think I will concede to your point relating to my potentially being harsh in response to people that don’t agree with my stance on this. Unfortunately one’s passion on a subject can blind them to not being more open to hearing “the other side of the argument”. I don’t find people who don’t agree with me as evil. We all have our points of view on this and many other subjects and I will vow to try and remain passionate but totally open minded to other peoples point of view. Thank you for pointing this out.

THE PLANET: You write you were “hoping for better from people.” Might we not put that same question to those who continue abuse drugs? In fact, might it not be better put to them and not the decent, ordinary, hard-working, taxpaying folks who end up paying the social price of addiction? SUDS has a stigma that’s well deserved, not because it’s a character flaw but because of its selfishness in perpetuating so much heartbreak and chaos. 

MY RESPONSE: The person with this disorder are not suffering from a character flaw or lack of moral compass. While we tend to focus on a few of the reasons people develop this insidious habit it is oversimplification to think they can just stop doing it by being shamed or being branded with the scarlet letter of addiction. Quite the opposite has been proven in studies that go back 50 years. Dr. Lee Robins did a landmark study on Vietnam vets returning home after using heroin and/or opiates while at war. She found some very important things relative to understanding addiction. Up to 34% of Vietnam verts used heroin with 20% showing signs of physical dependence. Environmental and sensory triggers play a very prominent role in this disorder. Vietnam vets had a high rate of recovery and low relapse rate at one and three years because of these factors.(Only 1% became readdicted to heroin after stopping) Because of the easy access to opioids in Asia the supply was a contributing factor as well as the dismal conditions of war they were subjected to very day. Also being surrounded by others that were using opioids added to the environmental and sensory triggers that made it “easier” to use the drug and harder to stop. Once the returned home the left those triggers and being removed from the environment made it much easier for them to recover and stay in long tern recover. It is not so easy to take our fellow citizens out of their environment permanently which would lead to a higher recovery rate. They can enter inpatient treatment which is often very successful but when done with that treatment they return to the environment and triggers which contribute to difficulty maintaining sobriety. SUDs effects people of every level of socioeconomic status but certainly, homelessness, poverty, mental health challenges all contribute to an inability to make meaningful changes in environment.

THE PLANET: “It is not a choice in most cases.” It depends on how you define “choice” and “free will.” Every addict, even those who become hooked due to issues involving pain management and prescribed opiates, at some point must make a free-will decision to continue down that path of destruction or not. Free will is the application of a person’s intentioned determination to follow a particular course of action, up or down, right or wrong, constructive or destructive. Those who seek and accept treatment have made a choice. Those who don’t, who decide to keep ingesting the death, do as well. The process is exactly the same for the person who has never taken or abused drugs, the person who has and but quits, and the one who decides remain addicted. Mr. Andrews should know better than anyone, other than and addict, that to be “addicted” does not provide license to remain that way. 

MY RESPONSE: I think we may be closer in opinion on this than our writing leads us to believe. “Addiction is a chronic disease characterized by drug seeking and use that is compulsive, or difficult to control, despite harmful consequences. The initial decision to take drugs is voluntary for most people, but repeated drug use can lead to brain changes that challenge an addicted person’s self-control and interfere with their ability to resist intense urges to take drugs.” cit. National Institute of Drug Abuse.
“Of the 20.5 million Americans 12 or older that had a substance use disorder in 2015, 2
million had a substance use disorder involving prescription pain relievers and 591,000 had a substance use disorder involving heroin.” cit Center for Behavioral Health Statistics and Quality. (2016). Key substance use and mental health indicators
in the United States: Results from the 2015 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (HHS Publication No. SMA 16-4984, NSDUH Series H-51).
I agree that a percentage of people make a conscious choice to use heroin or opiates. Why they make that choice can be up to debate but often due to a person wanting to relieve physical pain, mental pain, etc. It is often tied to polysubstance use. The problem with opiates is the ability to make a free choice to stop is not as easy. Because it soon leads to physical dependence as well as psychological dependence the ability to “just stop” is not possible in most cases.
Is it possible for someone to just say enough is enough and use willpower to stop. Yes, but in a very small number of cases. Use use of opiates changes the brain that challenges the ability to use self control and resist urges to take it. Withdrawing from opiates otherwise known as being dope sick is one a very difficult situation for one to get thru. Most persons that have suffered from this will tell you that it’s not a matter of wanting to get high, it’s a matter of not wanting to be sick and in pain from the overwhelming symptoms of withdrawal. There are a number of factors that make it easier for some to resist becoming addicted or having successful recovery which include biological factors, environmental factors (as previously mentioned) and a person’s stage of development.

THE PLANET: In this section, Mr. Andrews makes our case (not his) in a way we could not top. Drug dealers are driven solely by money. They are ruthless in that pursuit. Their products are dangerous. We know that. Society knows that. Those involved in the drug trade know that at an expert’s level … and yet … addicts continue to play the risky game. Knowing the prevalence of fentanyl nonetheless does not deter them from using. Irrespective of HOW one becomes addicted, the continuance of drug taking involves the decision, the choice, to do so. For whatever reason, they freely gamble with their very lives. There’s an old saying in gambling. If you can’t afford to lose, don’t play the game. If you play the game, you accept the risk.

MY REPONSE: This is really just another rehash of the freewill and choice discussion above. One harm reduction tactic currently in use include the use of fentanyl test strips so people who are suffering with addiction can more safely consume drugs as they work towards recovery.

THE PLANET: First, the science is not as clear as Mr. Andrews suggests. Nonetheless, let’s grant the point. The issue then becomes one of support vs. affordability. Recidivism rates among addicts are astronomically high [pun, unintended]. Does it makes sense for society to pour money down the sink hole if 98% of it is wasted? Is the 2% worth it? This is public money. The economics are clear. What about the morality of the situation? Why is it more “moral” to revive an addict with Narcan, only to keep the misery going? Why is it more moral, if you know that most of the time you will make the problem worse? Why is it more moral that 2% wins over 98%? Why do we have to agree with the current “fad” to send the most public assistance to people who are the worst citizens? We see it in the schools, with housing, with immigration, and with addiction. Why is it a good thing to keep wasting money this way? Why does the problem get worse, the more public money we throw at it? Mr. Andrews thinks if you do not agree with his position, then you must be “an evil person who finds joy in others [sic] demise.“ He assumes such a person has not been personally touched by the pain of drug abuse. It’s a faulty assumption. In fact, those who have had their families wrecked are often the most adamant about not supplying the means — again with public money — for addicts to perpetuate the pain. Narcan? More like Narcan’t. Mr. Andrews need to realize that people who don’t agree with him aren’t “evil.”

MY REPONSE: The science is pretty clear. Do we abandon hope because some people feel the price to help people from this disease is so high or the rate of recovery is so low? Currently less than 10% of people who suffer a cardiac arrest have recovery to a point of hospital discharge and treating cardia arrest is very costly. Does that mean we stop doing CPR and giving those with a chance of survival no hope? Possibly the cardiac arrest was brought on due to heart disease caused by poor diet or lack of exercise. The highest rate of death in the US is from heart disease. Does that mean we should not spend money to try and reduce that? Does that mean we should abandon all care because they made a “choice” not to take care of themselves?? Remembering that like addiction, biology plays a large part in heart disease. Do we not give the comatose diabetic insulin when the are suffering from diabetic ketoacidosis because they chose not to do all the right diabetes management tools perfectly? Or what about the asthmatic who suffers a life threatening asthma attack? Should they be denied an albuterol treatment because they may have exhibited behaviors that contributed to their asthma? My opinion of all of these would be no. We are not of some God like status that we make the decision whether someone’s disease is worthy or life or death.
As previously mentioned I totally understand the anger and bitterness that people suffer due to the addiction of loved ones. I have suffered tremendous financial loss and post traumatic stress from loved ones that made our lives a living hell. But I channeled te negative energy into trying to understand this insidious disease and seeing what difference I could make in our community. I would never wish death on someone or make a decision not to save a life because someone felt that life was not worth saving, in their opinion.

THE PLANET: Again, Mr. Andrews makes our case when he writes: “You cannot force recovery on anyone. They must be ready to seek treatment and seek a path of recovery.” Precisely, which leads us back to choice and free will. Prior to a shot of Narcan, the person has obviously NOT sought treatment or recovery — despite all the services, all the education, all the pleading from family and loved ones — so what are the chances they will want to seek recovery after being brought back to life? Unlikely at best. Mr. Andrews’ example of denying a cancer patient chemo is specious and spurious, a red herring in a deep crimson hue. Contracting cancer cannot be equated with the choice to continue as a drug addict. A cancer patient can’t “just say no” to the cause of the disease and get clean. A junkie can.

MY RESPONSE: Again a rehash of the above arguments so I will stand by my feeling that we need to meet people where they are and help encourage harm reduction and a path to recovery. My loved ones have been in long term recovery so I know that is possible. I have lost a loved one due to this disease and I understand that it’s a ticking time bomb traversing the road to recovery but I would never give up on anyone. And I don’t think my argument is specious and spurious, rather it is straightforward and genuine. There are many who make the decision to seek recovery after being revived from narcan and have observed it first hand. Unfortunately others may not immediately seek recovery but may later down the road when they are in a better place to seek recovery due to the many conditions and factors previously discussed. Some cancer patients encountered their disease because of factors they had control over, does this make them less worthy of treatment?

THE PLANET: Yes. We have agreement on this point. 

MY RESPONSE: I am glad we agree on that. Harm Reduction is an important strategy in helping people seek recovery.

THE PLANET: To say that those who don’t agree with him “are not open enough to get educated” is an old debating trick, one related to ad hominem, one that’s at best mildly effective but almost always usually counterproductive. At worst, it blows up the person’s argument, which it does here. THE PLANET has the cajones to attach our name, and Brian, we accept your invitation to coffee.

MR. ANDREWS: In my opening paragraph I concede that is not the right approach and apologize for that. It will make me more thoughtful in the future when formulating my responses.

In closing, I’d like to thank readers for indulging me and allowing for this healthy debate. And while you are a well seasoned orator and debater, I will always stand by my convictions while allowing you to try and sway my thoughts. Best I can hope for is to agree to disagree as you take me to the whipping post.

P.S. I would love to talk with you at your favorite java spot that you frequent on Main St.

Benito Numine
Benito Numine
Reply to  Brian Andrews
1 year ago

I think you broke Melle’s long winded post record with this one.

Brian Andrews
Brian Andrews
Reply to  Benito Numine
1 year ago

Thank you

Ron Kitterman
Ron Kitterman
Reply to  Brian Andrews
1 year ago

It’s all about the envelopes, some of the time it the affluent or wealthy that respond by putting their money behind a think tank group so they don’t have to more less pick a side. For example drive around the county and count up the narcan messages on billboards. It’s almost a form of money laundering. Thanks to people like Brian and Dan that take a stand they some may see as bold and putting it out there how they feel. It can come back with a price sometimes.

The City I Hate
The City I Hate
Reply to  Brian Andrews
1 year ago

Dear Brian,

I seriously doubt that the cigarette smoking cancer patient, the donut eating diabetic, or the cardiac patient, who suffered a heart attack after years of compassionately enabling a loved SUDs victim, are ever going break in my home and cut out all my plumbing and cart it off to Perlman’s so they can pay for their drug of choice. The cancer, cardiac and diabetic patient is not stealing my jewelry, television, or my kitchen faucet for their insulin, chemotherapy, bone marrow transplant or their pacemaker fix.

bonner
bonner
1 year ago

Hey Dan, do you feel the same way if the SUDS population is the OxyContin-addicted blue-collar workers in Ohio, Pennsylvania, W Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc.?

Outfox
Outfox
1 year ago

The best journalism about heroin, fent, and Mexico is by Don Winslow, specifically his article in Esquire in August of 2016 where El Chapo tells him, and I’m paraphrasing here, “why would I bother with fields and labor when I can put two men in a lab with some chemicals ( I e., Fentanyl) and make billions off the United States?”
In that article El Chapo is incredibly forthcoming about how when Colorado and Oregon legalized weed it cost his organization billions of dollars, and his,like any other business, is a bottom line business and he needed to recoup the losses.
Winslow also wrote an opinion piece that’s called Mexico has A US Drug Problem that I highly recommend people read.

Charles Kronick
Charles Kronick
Reply to  Outfox
1 year ago

Mexico has a corruption problem. We do too, but Mexico’s problem belongs to Mexico.

Outfox
Outfox
Reply to  Charles Kronick
1 year ago

China, with an assist from Mexico, targeted our military age citizens—our young adults– with chemical warfare via fentanyl.
Think about what age group we’ve lost to opioids.
I’ve read that these deaths are going to have an adverse effect on our economy for decades but nobody talks about the impact on our armed forces, or if you do say this is a national security issue, you are called racist.

Charles Kronick
Charles Kronick
Reply to  Outfox
1 year ago

Yes, I wrote about the warfare aspect in the prior edition. I cited the research of Dr. Joseph Douglass.

Ricardo Pendejo
Ricardo Pendejo
Reply to  Charles Kronick
1 year ago

Yeah but the problem moves north and becomes our problem and now the nyc mayor is making it Canada’s problem

The City I Hate
The City I Hate
Reply to  Charles Kronick
1 year ago

Pittsfield has a corruption problem! There are several cops legally absconding close to $200,000 a year, THAT, should be criminal!

Quick Take
Quick Take
1 year ago

Addiction is a choice why? Because only the addict can choose to seek treatment and participate. It’s an internal struggle.

I can’t cure you of addiction and you couldn’t cure me. Only the person can make that choice about their addiction and recovery.

Gobsig
Gobsig
1 year ago

Narcandrews is a pompous fool who thinks his approach is the one and only way to deal with this condition. When someone says the science is clear it generally means the individual has found an article that mirrors what they wish to believe, proving that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Hell Toupee
Hell Toupee
Reply to  Gobsig
1 year ago

If you don’t agree with his approach that means you want people locked up in the basement at lach’s lounge and left to die. Only he knows the path to redemption.

Totally Lokull
Totally Lokull
Reply to  Hell Toupee
1 year ago

I’m putting up Gaetani for Mayor. Craig will serve two years get us back into order. Please consider this. You did see the Super Bowl predictions by Gaetani naysayer fritz.

He’s always against the G Man and he and his cohorts on here are never right about anything. Especially Sports, or predictions.

Lachs Lounge
Lachs Lounge
Reply to  Totally Lokull
1 year ago

He’ll get the signatures easily

Brian Andrews
Brian Andrews
Reply to  Gobsig
1 year ago

Nawwwww

Brian Andrews
Brian Andrews
Reply to  Gobsig
1 year ago

Pomp and circumstance

Muree the plunger
Muree the plunger
Reply to  Brian Andrews
1 year ago

Brian. Will you be at City Council meeting tonight. There is petition of sorts asking Health Director Cambi to explore the infestation increases of rats in the city? Just curious if you’ve heard anything?

Brian Andrews
Brian Andrews
Reply to  Muree the plunger
1 year ago

I did see Councilor Kronick put that on the agenda. I will not be there as I have another meeting.

Hell Toupee
Hell Toupee
Reply to  Muree the plunger
1 year ago

City Hall is full of them

Lach’s Lounge
Lach’s Lounge
Reply to  Brian Andrews
1 year ago
In Da Know
In Da Know
1 year ago

Steve Filiault for Mayor of this Great City,
“I Believe in Steve!”

Totally Lokull
Totally Lokull
Reply to  In Da Know
1 year ago

Yes I deed. I like Steve. Why not? What ward is Steve In?

Muree the plunger
Muree the plunger
Reply to  In Da Know
1 year ago

EMA is at. The council look for Mo Money? Smug looks. Like we own them.Bums.

Muree the plunger
Muree the plunger
Reply to  Muree the plunger
1 year ago

One person at City Council is blaming police on the bike lanes for lack of enforcement of some kimd. Renaldo wants police-held accountable for something concerning beat downs.
There is way to many. Social issue comments at city Council and have nothing to do with business at hand, and that reflects on the current city counci? You have a few on there that are social issue councilors. not working for the wards they represent problems.I will be particularly interested in the bike conversation tonight, seems like the bikers want the lanes on North Street but the general public? most don’t.

Paris
Paris
Reply to  Muree the plunger
1 year ago

I watched CC meeting tonight and I heard Mr. Persip say that giving 250000 to EMA was basically chump change. This statement alone should have him disqualified from holding a council seat. Let’s insure that we vote him out in November. 250 000 is chump change to him . I bet he never even saw 10000 in his life time. He has to go

Gobsig
Gobsig
Reply to  Paris
1 year ago

Let’s change the chumps on the council

Totally Lokull
Totally Lokull
Reply to  In Da Know
1 year ago

Council Grades:
Kavey F
GuielF
Conant F
Persip F
Guiel U
Sherman?
Kronick A
White F
Kalinowsky A+
Warren D+