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GAFFE OR NO GAFFE? WAS EXPIRATION DATE ON MAYOR’S DPW PLAN PURPOSELY ACTIVATED OR WAS IT AN INNOCENT MISTAKE? THAT IS THE QUESTION, & PLANET VALENTI TELEVISION WAS THERE TO TAKE IT UP w/ CLAIRMONT, CONNELL

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By DAN VALENTI

PLANET VALENTI News and Commentary

(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, WEEKEND EDITION, JAN. 9-11, 2015) — Our show last night on PLANET VALENTI TELEVISION we had our Right Honorable Good Friends Chris Connell and Barry Clairmont. We largely focused on the process of government in light of the Article 6 of the new city charter, which says that a mayoral (administrative) proposal has a time clock attached to it. Unless the city council approved or rejects the proposal, the measure automatically goes into effect.

Pittsfield Community Television will be re-broadcasting the show we did live, last night, at four times today (Friday): 11:30 p.m., 3 p.m., 6:30 p.m., and 11 p.m. You can judge for yourself the “performance” — THE PLANET‘s questions and the councilor’s answers. THE PLANET‘s intention was to explore the issue of how the the council managed to let the clock run out on the mayor’s intended realignment of public works and utilities. The mayor introduced his measure on Sept. 2. The council had two months, to Nov. 2, to deal with it or else the move would automatically be in effect.

First, allow a cuppla-three random observations:

* We had thought about asking the councilors to dress casually. THE PLANET doesn’t like, in fact positively dislikes, traditional “debates” with podiums, business suits, scripted questions, stump-speech answers served with lots of starch and butt hairs. We said nothing, and, to our delight, both showed up casually draped — Clairmont with “business casual” and Connell even more impressive with jeans, a black muscle shirt, and an Ozzy Osbourne/Mr. Crowley silver cross. We loved it. For the fashion editors, THE PLANET wore black slacks, a pastel green sweater over a yellow black-striped Tommy short.

* Connell and Clairmont marked only the third time in about 30 lives shows that PV-TV has had guests. The two previous guest turns were done by Terry Kinnas and Chuck Garivaltis.

* Speaking of Kinnas, his name inadvertently popped up on the show’s credits. He was not part of the production staff, though. THE PLANET apologizes for the mistake to the estimable Mr. K.

* The issue of the administrative time-clock, as played out in this particular case involving the mayor’s DPW proposal, has touched a nerve. We received an unusual amount of feedback both prior and especially following the show. People don’t like it that an administrative proposal was allowed to waltz through with citizens, via their representatives, having one at bat.

* Four quick pieces of information that came up last night: (1) Connell said he would be running for re-election in Ward 4; (2) Clairmont said he was not sure of his intentions. When pressed, he said he was leaning to running again but not for his current office. THE PLANET found that most interesting; (3) Connell though that the mayor would be running again for re-election; (4) In the most interesting point of the night, Connell said the mayor should bring back the Administrative Order regarding the DPW to be rescinded. THE PLANET thinks that is a great idea. We would urge our Right Honorable Good Friend to submit a petition to the city council to do just that. Such a petition would allow We the People to better judge which of the 11 councilors are for a government that allows The People a voice through their representatives. By introducing such a petition, Connell would be backing up his statement from last night. If he does not introduce such a petition, it would suggest he wasn’t serious about the antidote to a big mistake. In that case, we would call upon Clairmont or any of the other councilors to introduce such a measure. Yes, it’s that important, as our continuing coverage now tries to demonstrate.

Anatomy of a Gaffee … Or the Revelation of a Plot? Which Is It?

On Sept. 2, the council referred the proposal to the Ordinance and Rules subcommittee. There it languished. In October, city solicitor Kathy Degnan coughed up another hairball. At O&R’s first crack at the mayor’s Administrative Order, she informed O&R chair Connell that she hadn’t prepared properly for O&R to take up the measure. The subcommittee then tabled the move.

Was Degnan’s response an innocent mistake due to incompetence or overwork, or was she part of a larger plan hatched by Mayor Dan Bianchi to stall the measure until after Nov. 3, when it would automatically go into effect? Surely Degnan had to be aware of the 60-day limit. If not, as solicitor, that would be an appalling lack of knowledge and a prodigious display of amateurish ineffectiveness. The only other alternative — we cannot find a realistic third possibility — is that Degnan knew of the time frame but in her role as the mayor’s executioner deliberately didn’t inform either the full council or O&R of that knowledge. That would likely be malfeasance and, if true, likely actionable. This would not be the first time Degnan has — though either incompetence, inability, or some other reason — messed up, with taxpayers being denied of competent representation from the office of solicitor. Such mistakes can be exorbitantly costly.

Connell and Clairmont told THE PLANET last night on the telly that they were not aware of the 60-day provision. To their credit, they both “fell on the sword,” as Connell put it, owning up to their mistake. THE PLANET takes them at their word. We don’t think they knew of the 60-day clock, although they should have. Connell particularly took on added blame as O&R chair. THE PLANET respects that as an honorable action done with integrity. Neither they nor their nine colleagues understood the provisions of the charter well enough. Or did only eight councilors not know? That’s what Clairmont suggested last night.

Clairmont Says Mazzeo Knew in Advance of the Time Clock

Did council president Melissa Mazzeo know in advance that the measure had a time limit and not say anything to her vice president and O&R chair or the other councilors? Last night, Connell said he didn’t know what Mazzeo knew or when. Clairmont, however, said Mazzeo’s own words — uttered in session during a council meeting — indicate that she knew in advance. If that is true, it would strongly suggest she along with Degnan were complicit in the mayor’s plan to enact the measure without risk of council deliberation and therefore eliminating the possibility of legislative defeat.

Below, THE PLANET presents the written responses of Mazzeo, Ward 5 councilor Jonathan Lothrop, Ward 6 councilor John Krol, and Connell on this issue. They were sent to us during our initial investigations of what happened with the automatic enactment of the mayor’s proposal. We present them below, as received (edited only slightly for form). We should point out that in our back and forth with Mazzeo, THE PLANET asked Mazzeo if she was aware of the 60-day provision during the period from Sept. 2 to Nov. 2. She didn’t not answer.

The good thing to come out of our discussion last night, which in effect was an autopsy in what went wrong, was the learning experience. THE PLANET learned a lot as did our viewers. Connell said that type of time-crunched oversight would never happen again. That is progress.

Now here are the responses of the four councilors.

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MELISSA MAZZEO

There was not a “major gaffe.” That would mean an error or blunder. The new charter has been used many times now to dictate actions such as the Mayor has to have a joint meeting with School and Council on the budget with in a period of time etc. Councilors are aware of these times and hold the administration to it, which they should. This particular order also has a time constraint. Councilors need to be aware of agenda items and be mindful when dealing with them. We seem to be getting into a pattern where we spend an unusual amount of time on what some may consider minor issues at the council meeting, yet important items like an Administrative Order get refereed off to a subcommittee with no discussion first to see if it really should be sent off. Some councilors wanted to hold myself as President and the Committee chair responsible for not telling everyone about the time issue. We are all equal here in that we are councilors and have jobs to do — read each and every agenda item and do your due diligence. If that had occurred here, many would have read the charter about dealing with Administrative Orders. I can recall councilors talking about the fact that we cannot amend these orders, only vote them up or down, which is true. In the same paragraph, it outlines the time frame in which to deal with them. This is the second time that the council has allowed something to go into effect because of inaction. They tabled items and left them there. So while I don’t think this is how orders should become effective, it’s not my job to make sure each councilor is reading and understanding the charter. I will give information when needed or asked, but it’s not in the President’s rules to make sure the councilors are doing their homework.

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JONATHAN LOTHROP

The DPW reorganization that was voted on and defeated by the Council was subsequently approved through what amounts to a “slight of hand.”

The extended process could be viewed as an attempt to intentionally drag their feet beyond the 60 days in order to ensure it’s passage.  Evidence #1. When the matter was referred to the October Ordinances and Rules Committee, the matter was not right and “not ready.” By agreement of the Solicitor all matters related to the organizational changes were tabled.   This was surprising as the City Solicitor essentially admitted that what she sent is was incorrect.  So it was tabled.

Evidence #2. The next O&R Committee meeting was moved from it’s usual first Monday of the month to November 17th which had the effect of guaranteeing that it could not come back to the full Council until the 60 day window had expired.  This guarantees it’s passage by way of the new Charter.

Based on my observation of the last meetings discussion, at no time did Council President Mazzeo indicate that she too was unaware of the 60 day rule.  In fact. she referred to “leeway” to the 60 day rule was “granted by the Mayor.”   It’s was only when the matter was defeated by the full Council did we learn, several days after the meeting, that the matter was effectively approved, due to the Council not acting on it within 60 days.

Who is the Mayor or the Council President to grant leeway?  The Charter does not grant them this power.

Further, the President noted that there is no recourse to this process.  At no time during the extensive debate at the second November meeting did anyone state we were past our 60 days?  Is this another example of either not knowing the rules, or sitting quiet about these facts because the figured it would be approved anyway.   During the extensive debate there is not a peep from the Solicitor, the Council President or the Mayor.  Sort of makes yu feel intentionally duped.

The issues of administrative Order’s and a timeline are new in the Charter.  Previously, there was no timeline requirement for passage.  The current Charter says 60 days.  Not one Councilor mentioned the timeline requirement at any time during the entire process.  Lastly, this is only the second time this issue of a timeline has come into effect in the Council in my 11 years, both in this past term.

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JOHN KROL

I do not presume to know motives for the actions of others, therefore, I won’t assign them.

What I do know is that the outcome of this has once again left this council impotent, unable to perform the basic duties the citizens of Pittsfield should expect and deserve. This leveraging of the 60-day rule is not consistent with a spirit of good government that includes a strong check and balance. The significant change in the structure and operation of a city department must earn city council approval. Council approval was needed when Mayor Ruberto sought to make changes per John Barrett’s recommendations, and the administration made its case successfully to the council. This time around, any delay in a final decision on this item had to do with the administration’s lack of information in the original proposal, and then, the canceling of subcommittee meetings by the council vice president. When the item was tabled at the previous council meeting, it was because there seemed to be confusion within the administration. This change was being sought, and yet, interviews were being conducted to hire a Commissioner of Public Services (consistent with the current structure – the “Barrett structure”). Any delay had nothing to do with the “burying” of an administrative order, as President Mazzeo suggested multiple times last night for the necessity of the 60-day rule.

You can spin it any way you want to justify this: “The council didn’t follow the rules,” “We’re still learning the new charter,” etc. However, the bottom-line is that the council president and vice president seemed to be content with the council losing its legislative power. This was also the case with the mayor’s power plays on 100 North Street and the health insurance switch. I would have hoped that the president and vice president would have fought to ensure that the council fulfill its rightful role in the legislative process. This did not happen.

In addition, our previous council meeting was after the 60 day window. In this case, President Mazzeo said the mayor was giving us “leeway.” This raises the situation to a completely new level of strangeness. If the charter does provide for a 60-day window, the mayor somehow has an ability to give “leeway” on this? He provided “leeway” last time, but not this time? How is this “leeway” communicated to the council? As I said last night, this entire thing is bizarre.

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CHRIS CONNELL

Dan, I cancelled the November 3rd O&R meeting at the request of the city solicitor due to her being in Boston that day. Given the fact that there were 13 new as well as 15 tabled items most of which the solicitor would have to address,  I felt the need to postpone the meeting to the next available time that she could be present.  IT WAS NOT done to promote anyone’s agenda.  I would not be part of doing that for any person. The meeting was held on November 17th whereby the sub-committee discussed and voted on all of the items tabling only Barry’s petition during the three and a half hour meeting. At the November 25th council meeting members of the O&R subcommittee asked me to cancel the Dec 1st meeting due to the fact that there would be NO new business and only one tabled item. The fact that the administration order from the mayor had a timeframe attached to it was an oversight and obviously a lesson learned that the full council should refrain from sending administration orders to subcommittees because of meeting only once a month. This was not a conspiracy. Frankly, I think all some individuals want to do is continuously stir the pot and avoid working for the city and its residents. I ran for public office to serve the public and I WILL continue to do just that.

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The Process of Government Is As Important as its Policies

This is an inquiry into the process of government. The particular issue is irrelevant. In other words, the Administrative Order could just as easily been about piainting all sidewalks in the city pink. The importance is that, as Mazzeo indicates, this “approval”-without-deliberation has happened twice now. This, on top of the mayor’s penchant for unilateral action in outright defiance of council input, makes what happened with the DPW measure something that cannot be allowed to happen again.

There has been an alarming and dangerous lack of collegiality coming from the corner office. It needs to be checked. There are three ways to do this. The first is by the legislative branch of local government — the city council — to reassert itself as the mayor’s co-governor. The second is for a new occupant to be placed in the corner office, a person who is not so inclined to ignore his or her responsibilities to citizens. The third is for Mary Jane and Joe Kapanski to rise up in great numbers on election days in September and November of this year and — as the quaint street expression puts it — “trow da bums out.”

THE PLANET first exposed this issue. Last night on television, we led the autopsy. We don’t think this mistake will happen again. If it was a conspiracy, it can’t happen again. We could call upon our Right Honorable Good Friends to take corrective action. We call upon one councilor, any councilor, to introduce a petition to be voted up or down by the membership that requests the mayor to rescind the Administrative Order on DPW so that it can be properly handled, this time with We The People having their say.

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“Anytime at all, all you gotta do is call, and I’ll be there.”The Beatles, “Anytime At All,” (1964).

“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.”

LOVE TO ALL.

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Nota
Nota
9 years ago

I think the voter would come out in droves to have a chance to vote on the new school. I think it is wrong for the voter not to have a say in the outcome of a new School, here is why. Councilor Clairmont states the Council should be trusted to make the decision, that’s why we were elected. My answer to that is, not everyone voted for the at large Councilors that are in now, it is OUR money Councilor as well as everyone on the Council. We let you make a decision on out taxes being raised. Who was for that? I’d say it wasn’t the majority. NO SCHOOL WITHOUT A VOTE!

spagirl
spagirl
Reply to  Nota
9 years ago

This Taxpayer agrees with you 100 percent Nota.

Still wondering
Still wondering
Reply to  Nota
9 years ago

Same here.

amandaWell
amandaWell
9 years ago

I would like to know what percentage of out Senior Citizens, fixed income residents, ect. would vote in the affirmative?

Cosbiesladies
Cosbiesladies
9 years ago

What’t the deal with the outs?

dusty
dusty
9 years ago

I just do not believe Mrs Mazzeo one bit. I have serious doubts about Mr Connell. Same for the city solicitor who looks more foolish every month.

Mr. X
Mr. X
9 years ago

DV…,when pressed BC did not say “he’d be running, just not for his current office”…what he did say was “he’d be running again but I’m not saying for what”…still quite interesting as you said

One thing BC did say that I strongly disagree with, when it comes to the voters deciding the new Taconic, was “about only 25% of voters come out, do what only that number of people deciding?”…if you put a new $115 million dollar high school out to the voters, I guarantee you’d get a hell of alot more voters than 25% to come out…maybe that’s what we need to do to stimulate the people to get them all out to vote, put a wicked huge money item on the ballot…that’ll draw a crowd!

B. Clairmont
B. Clairmont
Reply to  Mr. X
9 years ago

Mr. X,

You are artially correct on my statement concerning running again. What I said was I wasn’t sure if I was going to run again, but was leaning towards running, but wasn’t sure for what office.

Barry

Dave
Dave
Reply to  B. Clairmont
9 years ago

I think you should run for city clerk!

Gene
Gene
9 years ago

I endorse your suggestion that one of the councilors submit a petition that would have the mayor withdraw his Administrative Order.

Hurdygurdy Man
Hurdygurdy Man
Reply to  Gene
9 years ago

Absolutely Gene. Agree 1000percent.

Mr. X
Mr. X
9 years ago

Right on BC

Nota
Nota
9 years ago

I think Mr. Clairmont is will wait to see who’s running before committing, he’s vulnerable as are some others. But more importantly, the voter needs to vote on the School ref.

Linda
Linda
9 years ago

The most vulnerable would be the mayor if he runs again. If he doesn’t and Melissa runs for corner office she too will have a lot of problems.

Her turn as council president has exposed her executive and leadership inability.

dusty
dusty
Reply to  Linda
9 years ago

Has it ever. And i have serious questions as to whether she is for the taxpayers or the special interests. I am leaningtoward special interests right now.

spagirl
spagirl
Reply to  dusty
9 years ago

Melissa Mazzeo is Done!.. So is Mayor Screw the Public.

Guess what
Guess what
Reply to  dusty
9 years ago

At one time I had a lot a respect for her and even thought that she would be a great mayor. Now I wouldn’t even vote her for councilor. After watching her votes I can tell that she has not been able/wouldn’t separate herself from this administration.

Mr. X
Mr. X
9 years ago

MM will not run for mayor this time…that’s the word from her camp

Right on Nota! Unfortunately it ain’t gonna happen…biggest unjustice ever

Detroit moving in
Detroit moving in
9 years ago

From IBerkshires:

http://www.iberkshires.com/story/48249/Pittsfield-Proposes-Raising-Building-Permits-Inspection-Fees.html

PITTSFIELD, Mass. — The city is looking to raise the fees for building and utility permits and inspections.

The City Council is being asked to raise fees for the building, plumbing, gas and electrical departments as well as remove caps from some permits — caps that limited costs for larger projects.

“They are modest increases. They aren’t high at all,” said Building Commissioner Gerald Garner on Monday when he presented the increases to the City Council’s Ordinance and Rules subcommittee.

“By next year, we may be behind the eight ball again.”

Garner says the city hasn’t raised fees for these services in five years and the new costs are “on par” with similar communities in the state.

“This will put us on par with Springfield, Holyoke and some of the gateway communities,” Garner said.

Garner estimates the city will see an increase in revenues — which go back to the general fund — of some $180,000. Permits for new construction, for example, had cost 35 cents per square foot up to $10,000. Now, the permit for new construction is 35 cents per square foot but does not stop when it hits $10,000. The cap for electrical work on commercial properties was also removed — it was $3,000.

The fee schedule also adds new fees for mechanical and sheet metal permits the city is now required to issue.

“There are several things that have changed over the years,” Garner said.

Overall, Garner said the permitting takes in more than $300,000 each year and pays for the department’s budget. Ward 5 City Councilor Jonathan Lothrop asked Garner to push for more staffing to improve the efficiency and speed in which permits are granted with the additional revenue.

The Ordinance and Rules Committee voted to recommend the changes to the full City Council.

For residents, most of the permits have increased by $10. Roofing, siding and insulation and replacement of windows would cost $6 per $1,000 of work, which is up from $5; the minimum building permit fee would rise $10 to $35; additions, alterations, repairs, decks, porches and three-season rooms would go from 20 cents per square foot to 30 cents per square foot with a $35 minimum; garages, barns shed and gazebos would rise from 20 cents per square foot to 25 cents per square foot.

Permits for stoves would go from $30 to $35, fences from $25 to $35 and tents from to $35 from $25.

Demolition for both residential properties and commercial would also increases. If the demolition is between 500 and 2,000 square feet, the permit would cost $70, up from $50, and over 2,000 square feet the cost is proposed at $140 from $100.

The city is proposing to add charges for three new certificates — a certificate of approval, zoning certificate and home occupation. Each of those would cost $35.

Commercial properties would see an increase in additions, alterations and repairs from 20 cents per square foot to 30 cents per square foot with a $50 minimum. The plan adds a section for roofing, insulation, siding and windows for a cost of $6 per $1,000 of construction costs. And certificate of occupation and zoning verification certificate is proposed at $35 and a certificate of approval at $50. The new mechanical and sheet metal permits are proposed at $6 per $1,000.

It will also cost businesses more for signs. They’ll be asked to pay $75 for installation costs up to $750 and $200 above the $750 mark. This is up from $34 and $100.

As for utilities, plumbing and gas applications (the base permit) would both rise from $25 to $35.

The minimum electrical permit is proposed at $35, up from $30. Miscellaneous electrical work is up to $70 from $60. Modular home electrical inspections — four in total — would cost $140, which is up from $120. A new home or condo inspection would rise $25 to $175; hot tub inspections, oil or gas burner inspections and fire alarms and security systems would increase by $5 to $35; swimming pools to $35 for above ground (from $30) and $105 for in-ground (from $90).

The minimum for commercial electrical work would be $150, which is up from $100; the cap of $3,000 would be removed. New construction costs would be $6 per $1,000 worth of work, which is nearly double the previous price of $3 per $1,000. Commercial fire and security alarms and additions inspections would be $50, up from $40.

The full schedule of fees is available below.
Pittsfield Proposed Schedule of Fees3

Scott
Scott
Reply to  Detroit moving in
9 years ago

City inspections are a joke. I paid $25 to have my wood stove inspected. They didn’t check the connection or anything just made sure my couch was three feet away. Glad I paid for them to come into my home and make sure my couch wasn’t too close to my wood stove. I asked aren’t you going to check the connection and the distance from the outlet from the roofline? Nope they’re clueless to what distance the outlet needs to be from the peak and how the stove is installed. It’s a govt intrusion at it’s best. These people are supposed to be overseeing licensed installers. Is being well versed or licensed in building code even a requirement for the position?

dusty
dusty
Reply to  Scott
9 years ago

I had a very similar experience for a chimney flue installation. The guy never moved 6 feet from his vehicle in the driveway. . basically confirmed that there was a flue sticking out of the chimney. Could have taken 60 seconds and come down the open hatchway to inspect where it connected to the furnace but said that was not necessary.

I felt like such a sucker for paying the permit and inspection fee. I would have loved it if a professional looked at the job and confirmed that it was done correctly and that I did not have to worry about a chimney fire.

The permit process is more a fund raising vehicle than a safety net. Maybe the mayor could buy them drones to go with their new offices so they never have to leave their desks.

Scott
Scott
Reply to  dusty
9 years ago

I know it’s as if you’re paying for permission to do work on your own investment. Intrusive govt.

J Walker
J Walker
Reply to  Detroit moving in
9 years ago

I think Bianchi even stated publically that these new inspection offices would be huge money maker for the city of Pittsfield. (As if the purpose of local government is to make money).

You don’t need to be a licensed contractor of be knowledgable in the trades, the only real qualification you need is to be an FOB (friend of Bianchi) to land one of these high paying cush jobs.

If your house burns down because it was not properly inspected rest assured the inspection will not be held accountable. As long as you have the receipt showing you had it inspected your good. You might not want to the insurance company that the inspector didn’t walk 6 ft. away from his vehicle to inspect it.

I wonder though if they pay the inspector $25.00 an hour or more plus benefits and he takes 2 or more hours to do an inspection (on paper) how that makes the city any money.

The purpose of local government is to provide needed services for the people it serves and the people who were elected to be responsible for wise use of their money. Its totally NOT supposed to be a money making entity. But that is how this mayor thinks.

Hurdygurdy Man
Hurdygurdy Man
9 years ago

I enjoyed the show, did’t realize first that the ‘timeclock’ was in the new charter (i voted against it btw) and i also wasn’t aware this had happened. Glad to know it now.

Spider
Spider
9 years ago

Add me to the list of those wanting to vote on the new Taconic.

Evian
Evian
Reply to  Spider
9 years ago

Me too. Connell 1 Clarimont 0 on that point. That will come back to haunt Barry.

Scott
Scott
Reply to  Evian
9 years ago

I would like to vote as well. I would as Chartock put it vote an unamerican NO.

ShirleyKnutz
ShirleyKnutz
9 years ago

Hopefully, but I’m sure it will not happen, citizens will read and stay up on important issues happening in their town/city so they can be involved. It is the peoples government and they get what they vote for and must also be part of the blame. If people really cared the whole council and mayor would be voted out next election. This current group has cost the taxpayer exorbitant amounts of money and waste. While I’ll thank them for their time and commitment I believe they are all incompetent.

kevin
kevin
Reply to  ShirleyKnutz
9 years ago

Yes we get what we elect or what we don’t elect by not voting. I will not vote for any incumbent this time around. I’m fed up with larger budgets, more borrowing and spending, a school we can’t afford and we get no vote on, higher taxes.

Enough. Vote out the incumbents!!!

spagirl
spagirl
Reply to  kevin
9 years ago

You are both right. No one connected to the City corruption…..need a civilian willing to stand up and make sweeping changes in City Hall.

Nota
Nota
9 years ago

ATTENTION MAYOR AND COUNCILORS: A NUMBER OF VOTERS WANT A VOTE FOR THE NEW SCHOOL!

spagirl
spagirl
Reply to  Nota
9 years ago

Nota….Mayor Screw the taxpayers doesn’t care. Not going to happen.

Chuck Garivaltis
Chuck Garivaltis
9 years ago

Great game this afternoon between the Packers and Cowboys. The Cowboys got royally screwed. This was the greatest heist since the Dillinger days. I hate it when bean counters in warm surroundings make game deciding decisions watching film while they are sipping coffee laced with whiskey. Action on the field doesn’t count to these guys. Why should it? All they have to do is talk about the game.

The Cowboys should have won. A fantastic catch from a Romo pass was declared incomplete. I saw a great two handled catch at the one yard line where the receiver came down with the ball with both hands and both feet landing in fair territory. The ball bounced when body hit the ground and ball landed in the receivers hands. The catch was challenged and the viewers in the press box ruled catch ineligible. I doubt if these guys ever played tackle football.

I wish we could get back to reality here. This is a game. Decisions have always been made by referees on the field. Get back to it. Football or baseball. Let the striped shirts on the field at moment of contact decide what happened. It has been this way for a hundred years .And it was good for sports.

Scott
Scott
Reply to  Chuck Garivaltis
9 years ago

What was the score? I don’t see the cowboys beating the packers.

PopKornSutton
PopKornSutton
9 years ago

Didn’t you see last weeks Cowboyz game Chuck? Tere seemed to be controversy on a call that benefited the Boyz. What goes around comes around!

Nota
Nota
9 years ago

YOu’re both Off topic, penalties offset! First down!

Scott
Scott
Reply to  Nota
9 years ago

Hey it’s the weekend addition we get free roam on discussion!

Nota
Nota
9 years ago

Yes, plus we like Pop and legend Charles Garavaltis, one of the best!

Chuck Garivaltis
Chuck Garivaltis
9 years ago

No, guys, Packers won 26- 21. This was a game decided in a warm press box by someone watching rerun of a play that should have been a hero catch by a kid making a great catch and holding on to it in a leaping catch and landing with both feet in fair territory. It was declared an ineligible catch. What have we come to?
.

spagirl
spagirl
9 years ago

I guess you need to read the rules. Tough loss. Games are won by touchdowns….Maintain full control on the ground is the process…. Green Bay won with the touchdown.

Cosbiesladies
Cosbiesladies
9 years ago

Looks like there needs to be a double check, on that call?

Cosbiesladies
Cosbiesladies
9 years ago

Better Pizza better ingredients bad football (Manning-Broncos)

PopKornSutton
PopKornSutton
9 years ago

At Chuck….Mannings Broncos are Down eleven points with the ball on the forty yard line with eight seconds or so left. Manning finally throws a strike to his receiver who promptly stays in bounds ending the game. The announcer Jim Nance, calling the play, says…’for some reason the receiver stays in bounds? Is he kidding? Valenti for Mayor!