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THE A-BOMBINGS OF HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI: A STAIN ON THE NATIONAL CONSCIENCE

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BY DAN VALENTI

PLANET VALENTI NEWS AND COMMENTARY

(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, THE WEEKEND EDITION AUG. 9-11, 2019) — THE PLANET deliberately introduced the previous column (“Shoot Everybody”) with a reference to the “unnecessary” bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We did so to counter the prevailing view that contemporary circumstance justified Truman’s decision to drop the bomb. We also did it to invite comment, and those residing in the hornet’s nest were quick to respond to the kick.

The usual argument is that dropping “Little Boy” and “Fat Man” ended the war, preventing the loss of “one million American lives” and countless Japanese had the U.S. military invaded. A dispassioned historical analysis, however, strongly suggests the opposite, no matter how dearly one clings to the spun fantasy that America, freedom’s bastion, had to instantly vaporize half a million innocent civilians in a sneak attack (countless millions were to eventually die of radiation poisoning).

By July 1945, the United States and the Allies were three months from Germany’s surrender and were able to throw everything they had on the small Pacific island power, which they did from uncontested fire bombings and a siege that suffocated the island’s supply side. The then-secret military assessments of both the United States and Nippon concluded that Japan would be forced to surrender within months. Japan had enemies on all sides, no allies, few resources, and no country that could intervene on its behalf in surrender talks.

Japan had approached the Soviets, but Russia refused, instead declaring war on Tokyo. That month, a Japanese delegation met directly with U.S. officials from the Office of Strategic Services in Switzerland to pursue an exit strategy. The indirect result was the Potsdam Conference on July 26, 1945, where the United States (Truman), Great Britain (Churchill), and China (Chaing) demanded Japan’s unconditional surrender.

In an exhaustive study leading up to Potsdam, the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey concluded that without atomic weapons or even additional “conventional” firebombing, Japan would have to surrender by Nov. 1, 1945. Military advisers said the surrender would occur as the country imploded under the weight of war and would happen without the need of a U.S. invasion. The war planners, of course, plotted casualty expectations in the event of an invasion, concluding that American casualties would not be the “millions” myth that the decades popularized into accepted wisdom but in the “thousands.”

How could Japan fight back? It had no Navy, hardly any air force, a defeated army, a demoralized civilian population, an emperor urging the military to end the war, no manufacturing, and no way to receive raw materials because of a blockade. Most of the military save the hardliners wanted terms for surrender. Backers of the needless A-bombings then throw out their last gasp, claiming that in the Japanese culture, surrender wasn’t an option. Neither the facts nor history support that claim. Japan did surrender to McArthur on the USS Missouri.

Finally, not long before Truman’s fateful decision, Undersecretary of the Navy Ralph Bard wrote to Secretary of War Henry Stimson that “the great humanitarian nation” such as America should seek peace before using the bombs in  “sneak attack.” The green, untested Truman had all this information and ignored it, the same as he refused scientists’ begging him not to use the bomb. Ironically, he caved to the militarists, something Japan, having come to its senses, would no longer do

In the end, the bombing spurred the arms race, the Cold War, and endless war continuing to this day. Nine countries now have nuclear capability. What other countries might have possession of nukes or the knowledge and resources to build them no one knows. This as technology make nukes smaller and less detectable.

Truman, the product of corrupt K.C., Missouri machine politics, blew it. To this day, America remains the only nation to launch a nuclear war. The national conscience can never be clean.

Have a great weekend, everybody.

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“Don’t look back. Something might be gaining on you”Satchel Paige.

“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.”

LOVE TO ALL.

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Jonathan Melle
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Jonathan Melle

Truman a-bombed Japan in 1945 to show the Russians, specifically Stalin, our military power because Stalin did not take Truman seriously. It was more about Truman versus Stalin than it was about a quicker end to the U.S.’s war against Japan. Also, I believe we wanted to get even with Japan for Pearl Harbor. Also, I believe we were racist against the Japanese people back then.

I concur with Dan Valenti. I wish Truman did not a-bomb Japan.

That being said, I like it when Dan Valenti writes about Pittsfield politics. The preliminary election will take place next month. I want to read where all of the local candidates stand on the issues facing Pittsfield.

– Jonathan Melle

Johnny99
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Johnny99

Mr. Melle, You’re out in left field believing we nuked Japan to show Russia who’s boss. As for local politics, no body is actually running a race, just a few folks got their name on ballot.

Your honey Landslide Linda will be coasting to re-election at this rate – it’s her to lose, and you won’t even have to donate any of my money to her campaign – because she has no real opposition.

Pat
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Pat

This is a non-election since it’s friends of Mazzeo vs. friends of Tyer who will determine the result. Who has more friends? We all know there is no real difference between the candidates. They know it too. Both are tax happy Progressives. Both cater to the schools.

Ted
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Ted

Jonathan tune into “It’s Pittsfield Tonight” on Facebook for your Pittsfield Politics fix.

Shakes
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Shakes

Why would anyone elect Mazzeo when she’s been on council approving the nonsense that got Pittsfield to where it is at for like 10+ years?

Bradford North
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Bradford North

She hasn’t been mayor and Tyer has. Tyer has failed to accomplish anything in four years. It’s time to change the head coach. If Mazzeo can’t get anywhere there will be another election.

Johnny99
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Johnny99

Dan,

Truman was a great president who nuked Japan to end the war they started, so I wouldn’t say he launched a nuclear war. If your dad was a pow in Japan and we invaded the mainland, your dad would have been be-headed or worse. I would recommend the books Flyboys, Unbroken, and some reading on the Battan death march. The japenese were inhuman and even if we only saved one American life, it was worth it.

This Just In
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This Just In

Truman was a KKK member.

The school committee
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The school committee

Our dumbass King Trump is always threatening to blow people off the map.The fool does not get it.

Hoyt Clagwell
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Hoyt Clagwell

Your cornbread ain’t quite done in the middle.

The school committee
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The school committee

Whatever dumbass King Trump says is good with his team.

kltpzyxm
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kltpzyxm

It taste better that way.

Herb Pease
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Herb Pease

Bill thought Monica could blow guys off the map.

Still wondering
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Still wondering

The immediate problem facing the allies was that the Japanese would fight to the death before surrendering and that suicide pilots and submarines would cause huge casualties. Maybe as much as a million.
A new weapon that had just finished testing was now available. So they used it and the war ended.
It is pure luck that the war in Europe ended before the weapon was ready. Berlin would have been incinerated.

Norm Fernordner
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Norm Fernordner

The Japanese murdered twelve million Chinese in WWII.

Norm Fernordner
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Norm Fernordner

Japanese soldiers used to have contests beheading Chinese civilians with samurai swords.

Mr. Fritz
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Mr. Fritz

Dan,
If my father and uncle were still alive – as army veterans they would have some choice words for your column today. After the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor, and after the a- bombs were dropped in Japan – my relatives were praising President Truman for his boldness in helping to end the conflict. Their war stories haunt me to this day. War is ugly business. Hindsight is useless.

After 9-11, nationalism rose dramatically and the country rallied together, calling for a response to the attacks – not unlike the response to the Pearl Harbor attack.

I support a strong military and increased funding for defense.
Peace through strength.

Shakes
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Shakes

War is evil. There is no right or wrong.

I support right-sizing our military and using the cost savings on humanitarian efforts to improve the life quality and prosperity at home and throughout the world. Convert the evil military-industrial complex to a humanitarian-industrial complex.

Still wondering
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Still wondering

If you think the military is too large then you know nothing about the history of the past 30 years. Since the end of the Cold War troop strength, ships, planes etc have steadily shrunk (except for a brief period after 9/11). You can look it up.

shake
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shake

I maintain that with technology and science our military is more lethal than ever before regardless of physical size. You can look that up.

Truthsayer
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Truthsayer

You can’t sit in a chair (or at a computer) decades in the future and armchair history. Different values, morals, opinions, societies, attitudes. History is a lesson. Learn from it, and mankind moves forward. Fail to learn, and we repeat our past mistakes. The U.S. attempts to sanitize war today. Only combatants are supposed to die. No or few civilians. That’s wrong. Civilians need to die the way they did during WWII in Europe and in Japan. In massive numbers. Why? Ultimately, it’s civilians that control the direction of their society and their governments. By sanitizing war, minimizing civilian casualties while limiting casualties to the military, war essentially becomes something we can live with. War is no longer abhorrent. It is no longer something to be feared. Without these two, it is no longer something to be avoided. I will not armchair the decisions… Read more »

F. Balm
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F. Balm

Civilians suffer in the countries where a war is fought.

doomiedodger
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doomiedodger

I would submit that civilians, family members in the U.S. have suffered immensely as their loved ones were killed or maimed in war. A soldiers PTSD can tear a family’s apart. Children grow up without fathers. The utter heartbreak of parents who have lost a son or daughter, often in a needless U.S. conflict.

Just because a countries infrastructure has not been bombed into oblivion does not mean it has escaped suffering.

Wilson
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Wilson

“no Navy, hardly any air force” sank the Underhill on July 24, sank the Callaghan on July 29, sank the Indianapolis on July 30 (879 sailors dead), and sank the Bullhead on August 6 (all crew lost). This was a real war and America was taking real losses, and since the whole population was mobilized the guys on the ships where not much different than civilian causalities

Ben Weldon
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Ben Weldon

Japan was one of the nations that started WWII. It’s too bad that the Japanese civilians had to suffer, but for the greater good it had to be.

Tyer v Mazzeo? Think Frick and Frack. Go back to two year terms.

The school committee
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The school committee

Schools getting 5 million new dollars.I wonder how we will spend it.We will have to move fast as we need to ignore that Teachers in the Pittsfield Massachusetts schools are being verbally abused and Union President Sheran is quiet about the abuse.Ex Mayor Tyer does not know her employees are being violated.I want a teacher to take legal action against this Mayor

Sgt. Bazooka
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Sgt. Bazooka

I love the smell of naplam in the morning

C. Trzcinka
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C. Trzcinka

In 1985 during the 40 anniversary of the atomic bombing of Japan I was in the People’s Republic of China. The US press had some of the Planet’s skepticism about both bombs. The Chinese press did not. They replayed stories of the rape of Nanking and the slaughter of Chinese people by the Japanese almost everywhere. The attitude of the Chinese were “why didn’t we drop more bombs?”. Truman’s decision was clearly influenced by the battle of Okinawa that resulted in the one of the largest loss of US life of any battle during WWII because of Japanese fanaticism. The battle was one of the bloodiest in the Pacific, with approximately 160,000 casualties on both sides: at least 75,000 Allied and 84,166–117,000 Japanese (over 14,000 US soldiers died) . 149,425 Okinawans were killed, committed suicide or went missing nearly half the estimated pre-war 300,000… Read more »

Norm Fernordner
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Norm Fernordner

Amen.

Johnny99
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Johnny99

Well put sir. My dad too was in the Pacific and thank God Harry dropped the bombs or we wouldn’t likely be here today. And let us not forget the Japanese had plenty of time to surrender and refused and even after the first bomb they did not.

C. Trzcinka
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C. Trzcinka

Starting roughly with the battle of Peleliu, the Japanese had the strategy of killing as many Americans as they could no matter what the cost. On Iwo Jima the cost was more US marine casualties than Japanese soldiers. Their willingness to sacrifice themselves to kill or injury US troops is amply documented but is no better illustrated than the Kamikaze attacks which peaked during the battle of Okinawa. Almost 2,000 Kamikaze attacks sunk 37 ships and damaged 386. The Japanese military strategy was a simple war of attrition. Make the US casualties so high that the American public would give up. This is the strategy that the atomic bombs effectively countered.

Jonathan Melle
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Jonathan Melle

In the real world, nuclear weapons scare the shit out of me.

But, I do enjoy watching Arnold Schwarzenegger play a cyborg in The Terminator movies. It is only because it is all fictional science-fiction make believe fun.

U.S. Prez Harry Truman was between a rock and a hard place when he ordered the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. He was damned when he did it, and he would have been damned if he did not do it.

I still believe Truman was outmatched by Stalin post-World War 2. To be clear, Truman was unable to effectively negotiate with Stalin. If FDR lived and was healthy, I believe he would have been able to negotiate with Stalin post-World War 2.

Now, we have Trump being played by Putin. Good grief!

– Jonathan Melle

Jonathan Melle
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Jonathan Melle

The preliminary elections for Pittsfield politics offers a choice between business as usual or a change of leadership who will do things differently. However, I don’t know if the sad outcomes of high taxes with a shrinking tax base will ever change. As much as I support her, the lovely Linda Tyer is a continuation of Jimmy Ruberto’s 8 years of failed policies. However, if I lived in Pittsfield, I would still vote for Mayor Linda Tyer in 2019. I support her because she is smart, she gets it, and she stands for everything I believe in when it comes to politics and government. I am impressed by her willingness to serve everyone, including the poor neighborhoods that circle North Street. Sadly, Melissa Mazzeo is part of the “Bianchi bust”. And, Dan Bianchi did not change the way Pittsfield politics operates. If Melissa Mazzeo… Read more »

X-Lachs Lounge
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X-Lachs Lounge

TSC, when you post please keep the words of Joe Biden in mind when he said ” we will always value truth over facts.”

Man From Nantucket
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Man From Nantucket

Even though that statement makes no sense TSC can work with it.

X-Lachs Lounge
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X-Lachs Lounge

” I am impressed by her willingness to serve everyone, including the poor neighborhoods that circle North Street.” If after four years there isn’t any improvement you really need to wake up.

Jonathan Melle
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Jonathan Melle

Read my entire post, please.

“I don’t know if the sad outcomes of high taxes with a shrinking tax base will ever change.”

“I don’t have any faith in Pittsfield politics changing for the better from 2020 – 2024.”

Not exactly glowing reviews of the lovely Linda Tyer’s administration!

X-Lachs Lounge
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X-Lachs Lounge

I read your entire statement. Please, please, please stop your nonsense.

Gigi
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Gigi
The school committee
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The school committee

The 4 year terms intent was to let the Mayor cut budgets of schools without retaliation at the voting booth as time would be an equalizer of the political pressure to remove the Mayor…….It Mayor Tyers intent to give schools what they want.

The school committee
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The school committee

We have 500,000 square feet of High Schools to serve 1500 students. Why?

Johnny Absurd
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Johnny Absurd

Is the nine months pregnant school budget a disguised special interest piñata?

Edward R. Murrow
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Edward R. Murrow

“. . . had to instantly vaporize half a million innocent civilians in a sneak attack (countless millions were to eventually die of radiation poisoning).” Proof of these numbers? Possible that more were killed in Dresden from Allied bombing than either Hiroshima (80,000) or Nagasaki (40,000)–or maybe both. Dresden (est. between 35K and 135K). Also Hamburg (40,000). “Countless millions” is even vaguer than those supposedly set to die if the war continued. “. . . Japan would have to surrender by Nov. 1, 1945.” Yup, and the war in Europe was supposed to be over by Christmas 1944. And by all rational analysis Germany would have surrendered in 1942. And what is this “sneak attack” stuff? As if somehow perpetrated by Simon Bar Sinister or something. It is called war. So I guess D-Day was a “sneak attack.” Question is, why didn’t Japan surrender… Read more »

Mr. Fritz
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Mr. Fritz

I agree, Edward. Well said.

Drew Z
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Drew Z

Epstein Dead by suicide..

Simon Ives
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Simon Ives

Please excuse Epstein from court.

Signed Epstein’s mother.

Mr. Fritz
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Mr. Fritz

Epstein gone. Dead men tell no tales.

Pat
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Pat

True. Was it suicide or a hit by politically connected people who would be hurt if his story came out?

Johnny Absurd
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Johnny Absurd

Pretty sure Trump could tell you how he really died.

Pat
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Pat

The Clintons are the obvious suspects as many around them have met similar fates.

Mr. Fritz
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Mr. Fritz

How is it that a guy on 24/7 suicide watch & wearing paper clothes – turn up dead??
#clintonbodycount

Johnny Absurd
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Johnny Absurd

I think the Donald could make anything happen. Remember his best friend is a KGB agent. Enough said

Pat
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Pat

Many close to the Clintons have met similar fates.

Shakes
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Shakes

Trump or Clinton, I’m sure he’d have given up either pedophile.

The school committee
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The school committee

Trump and he had much in common

kltpzyxm
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kltpzyxm

Lefty rhetoric about not dropping a-bomb preventing Veit-nam not gunna cut it. Too many father’s and uncle’s lives saved to make that choice a bad one. Break forth the wall and all becomes clear.

Pat
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Pat

Local accident caused by people taking pot (stoned). Young girl in critical condition.

https://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/eag-l-khali_web,581787

James
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James

No one cares. Pat. They didn’t vote for the common good or someone else’s teenager’s brain. Either they voted to make a profit or they voted for their right for another way to get messed up and make their lives go away. In any case, local profits are about to go up in smoke as the Dakota becomes part of a national chain that even sells take out food laced with pot. They call it “Dosing while dining.” They’re opening stores from Arizona to Mass. and every state in between that allows it.Google Mint Dispensary.They’re serving 2,700 people on a Friday.

Pat
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Pat

So disgusting. I wrote a post about Dakota going to pot before, but it hasn’t showed up yet. This country is intentionally being messed up in my opinion. Weaken the general population with pot and other drugs and they are easily manipulated.

Pat
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Pat

I also agree that for many people pot is just another way to get messed up and injure or kill others if they get behind the wheel.

This issue is becoming much worse than guns. Just this summer far more than 30 people have been killed or disabled by pot related auto deaths.

Shakes
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Shakes

A drop in the bucket compared to alcohol related crashes.

Pat
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Pat

Not as the amounts of recreational pot increase in the country. Just like we have bars on every corner of the city, we will have the same with pot shops and pot will cause deaths and disabilities across the country just like alcohol.

James
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James

Why do pot people always make the alcohol argument? Imagine if you were a mother against drunk drivers working all these years to educate people about alcohol and cars, only to have another substance legalized that can lead to a driver killing your kid? Not to mention, drunk and stoned people are even more of a danger. In the general population, pot is not an alcohol alternative. It’s an addition. The whole attitude of “it doesn’t effect me” makes me ill.

James
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James

Since the eagle prefers only to rah rah the pot industry maybe you, Dan, could look into this company that bought the Dakota? What does their license say? Can they serve pot laced food? How long does pot pizza take to take effect? Is there going to be takeout to bring home to the kiddies? Did they take over the liquor license?

Hung Wang
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Hung Wang
Nomad
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Nomad

Not only hasn’t there been any improvement since Tyer became mayor, the poor neighborhoods have increased. Check out the number of boarded up houses and run down properties.

Johnny Absurd
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Johnny Absurd

Driving down First st yesterday. Trash all along the roadway. Is there ANY problem this mayor CAN solve? I wonder what a consultant would say to do about trash along the streets of Pittsfield. Could we please get a list of options on how to deal with it? It is just so confusing, what to do, what to do.

Joe Blow
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Joe Blow

Shots fired again on Tyler st tonight……enough is enough! Time for a change! Good people are afraid!!!

Herb Pease
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Herb Pease

Good thing we have very strict gun laws in Massachusetts.

The school committee
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The school committee

Tyer had 4 years to do what she wanted.Goodbye Tyer. If Mazzeo does not cut consolidate the High Schools we will continue to burn millions.How can any politician in Pittsfield be serious and not talk about 1 high school.Everyone is consolidating.We are the most obvious to get it done

The school committee
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The school committee

Trump and Epstien ….New York and Florida….great buddies.

Pat
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Pat

Keep trying School Committee. You know as well as we do who were the regular passengers on the Lolita Express….mostly Dems. How long will you avoid the truth? Stop acting like the far left media and accusing only people who you do not like politically while avoiding any mention of those who you favor politically.

Acute Angina
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Acute Angina

I figured out who TSC is. Gotta me Joe Biden. It’s just not possible for two people to be that obtuse. Just not possible.

Johnny Absurd
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Johnny Absurd

If that is true then Pat must be Sean Hannity. She echoes his show almost word for word.

The school committee
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The school committee

Trump had a bigger plane

Acute Angina
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Acute Angina

Remember TSC, truth over facts just like your uncle Joe says.

Doon
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Doon

I thought I was in the twilight zone,turning onto first to avoid North the traffic line went all the way down to the common p, sat there for five more notes and decided to re-rout, must’ve Been some kind of function down there.

Pat
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Pat

The former Dakota Restaurant may soon become a pot retail shop. Is everyone excited…NOT. Retail is practically non-existent in this area, restaurants and other businesses are being replaced by pot shops. Can we all see in which direction this area is headed? Our streets will be one deadly accident after another. A Lee girl is currently fighting for her life after stoned driver hits her on the side of the road. Alcohol was bad enough now we have added pot to the list of substances that impair safe driving ability. This will end up killing and disabling far more Americans than guns.

Ted
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Ted

There have always been stoned drivers, Pat.

Pat
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Pat

I agree Ted, but making pot socially acceptable means it will be in every household and just like kids raided their parents liquor stash, these underage kids will be doing the same thing with pot. Both booze and pot are NOT GOOD for kids. Not good for the so-called adults either.

James
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James

Ted,you should seriously consider a brain scan. There are more pot shops in the Berkshires than anywhere in Mass. and we have 1% of the population. They did not legalize in NY. Therefore they and more are here, buying and driving.

The school committee
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The school committee

Pat you must know that Alcohol is the worst drug in America. Alcohol is the violent drug we all grew up with.Remember how many women were beat up by booze.

Pat
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Pat

Booze = Bad. Pot = Bad. Both are DEADLY on the highway. Stop fooling yourself that pot is like candy.

Clunk
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Clunk

Planet? How do these insult comments advance discussion. Kind of phony isn’t it?

Bradford North
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Bradford North

Thank you for your input Judy Henchler

Pat
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Pat

This issue is becoming much worse than guns. Just this summer alone far more than 30 people have been killed or disabled by pot related auto accidents just in the northeast.

It’s not a politically hot issue so the rising death toll is ignored. Also so many liberals hooked on pot that they stay quiet about it.

The school committee
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The school committee

Trump is hooked on sex and hes just fooling himself.

shakes
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shakes

Daily Gun Violence Impacting People of All Ages in the U.S.
Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:
100 people are shot and killed
210 survive gun injuries
95 are injured in an attack
61 die from suicide
10 survive a suicide attempt
1 is killed unintentionally
90 are shot unintentionally
1 is killed by legal intervention
4 are shot by legal intervention
1 died but the intent was unknown
12 are shot but the intent was unknown

And 30 people die PER DAY in drunk driving related vehicle crashes.

I think there is a better moral crusade out there, by these numbers.

Pat
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Pat

Sorry, but pot isn’t off the hook. Will the number of pot related highway deaths be covered up because pot is now hip and cool?

12 Gauge
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12 Gauge

Pat, It’s obvious who the paranoid pot heads who post here are. Don’t you think?

The school committee
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The school committee

Of course you understand pot has been riding in the back seat for generations and it was never covered up.Imagine how many arrest there would have been if it was illegal to drink

Johnny99
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Johnny99

Please post source

Shakes
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Shakes

brady.org
NHTSA, don’t remember the website,

and if you want some great charts and maps about drugged driving, check this site out:

https://www.drugtreatment.com/expose/roadway-fatalities-drug-alcohol/

or were you asking Pat to show some sort of facts for her absurd hysterics? Nobody says pot isn’t dangerous, but it isn’t as bad as the deaths we could prevent right now. by addressing gun accidents and drunk drivers.

Johnny99
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Johnny99

Thanks Shakes.

X-Lachs Lounge
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X-Lachs Lounge

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
Advocates are fighting back, pushing for greater legislation for patient safety.

Also each year knives and other edged weapons are used to kill 1600

Blunt objects 600

Hands, fists, feet. 700

Hell Toupee
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Hell Toupee

Wow, if cancer or heart disease don’t kill you your doctor might.

Rudy Baker
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Rudy Baker

Sad to say most gun related murders are committed by by young black men and the victims are also young black men. These murders occur in cities that have been under the control of democrats.

Jonathan Melle
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Jonathan Melle

Both Marijuana and Alcohol are Predatory industries and gateway drugs. The un-Holy Trinity of Sinful behaviors: * Prostitution and/or sexual promiscuity * Alcohol, Marijuana, and/or other drug use * Gambling, and/or “beg, borrow, and/or steal” desperate people What happens in Vegas doesn’t always stay there! In other words, there are negative societal costs and impacts on people who engage in Sinful behaviors. It used to amaze me how politicians use the “un-Holy Trinity” of Sinful behaviors to prey on the poor, uneducated, youth, and the like, to line their own coffers with inequitable money. Then, I learned about “Perverse Incentives”, which means unethical power-brokers inequitably make money off of the socioeconomically disadvantaged people in society by causing deleterious socioeconomic outcomes. For example: The state Lottery and now casinos are nothing more than regressive taxation (or a tax on the poor). It is Robin Hood… Read more »

Herb Pease
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Herb Pease

The lottery is a tax on stupidity. Congratulations to States that have a stupidity tax.

Pat
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Pat
Shakes
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Shakes

The article makes valid points, but intentionally presents data in a misleading way. What we know from the article is that 5300 fatal crashes that year tested positive for at least one drug and may or may not uncle alcohol intoxication.

There are just unknown unknowns.

Planet Valenti