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‘PATRIOTISM’ IS NOT NATIONALISM, or TO STAND OR NOT TO STAND?

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BY DAN VALENTI

PLANET VALENTI NEWS AND COMMENTARY

(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, MONDAY FEB. 17, 2020) — On this President’s Day, THE PLANET asks about “patriotism.”

As a child who grew up in the halcyonic Fifties and who “came of age” — a term subject to many definitions — by the mid-Sixties, we loved America, or should we say “the idea of America.” What else would one expect during a time of the Red Scare, TVs The Big Picture, McCarthyism, John Wayne, playgrounds, Davy Crockett, Ted Williams, the atom bomb, and church on Sundays?

Mom used to tell the story of how, as a lad, THE PLANET would stand before the television set, hand over heart like the ballplayers, while the “Star Spangled Banner” preambled a baseball game on “The Game of the Week.” We made no evaluations and felt no need, not with the acceptance that youth has of the good and bad in life, and certainly not with the soft padding of innocence that cushioned the blows and turned most everything els into a kind of wonder and magic.

Things changed in the late 60s, or do we have to say?

“It’s your thing. Do what you want to do with it.”

“Sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll.”

JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinated.

Malcom X. Urban renewal. Black Panthers. The Monkees.

Who could you believe? What could you trust?

In 1968, Apollo 8 orbited the moon just before Christmas. We were in our junior year at PHS, eight months into an apprenticeship in the drafting room at GE (Bldg. 28) and head-over-heels in love with a girl from Connecticut named Linda. When we saw “Earthrise,” the famous photo of earth taken by the astronauts, the upending of everything assumed a perspective. From 238,000 miles away, our world hung in the blackness of space as a blue-and-tan pearl of infinite worth. Then and there, we perceived unity, all mankind sharing this planet, no boundaries keeping “us” from “them.” The Age of Aquarius.

The photo shocked us into an epiphany that our history classes only touched upon: national borders are arbitrary and fake, no more “real” than a Bigfoot, no more permanent than the foam that rides the surface of a lapping ocean wave. Nations erected borders as a result of war. At that moment, we realized that patriotism should not be confused with nationalism. The first stems from love, the second from a bullying and militaristic might — probably the most misapplied of all our survivalist necessities.

But what of the difference between patriotism and nationalism?

An incident at Nicholas Senn High School in Chicago helps us explore the question.

On Jan. 30, the school had an assembly honor Hispanic heritage. The ceremony began with the “Star Spangled Banner.” Students were asked to rise. All did but Tionda Cobb, 18, and Yesica Salazar,17.

Two teachers approached them and gave them a choice: stand or leave. One of the teachers told the girls that standing was a way to honor those who gave their lives for the country. The girls refused, saying they were protesting racism in America and police brutality — the “usual suspects” always found as residue from The Kaepernick-Smollett Effect. The teacher, a white male, then allegedly then asked the girls if they were on the free-lunch program at school. He then allegedly said, “Go back to your country.” One of the girls is an American citizen.

The girls were allowed to remain in the room, the anthem concluded, and the school conducted the event without incident.

Two weeks later, a student took to social media about the incident. Since then, fights have plagued the school on Chitown’s North Side. One student, 15, has been charged with assault on a Cobb staff member. The teacher in question has been suspended pending an investigation by the Chicago Public Schools and the D.A.’s office. This punitive action, of course, amounts to guilty until proven innocent — prejudged guilty of being white and male.

Such is sad case of justice in this fragmented and accusatory time. No habeas corpus. No presumption of innocence. Everyone so hair-triggered to be “offended” by everything and everyone else. Everyone a “victim.”

Patriotism? Nationalism?

There’s a bit of both in this incident.

We’ll let you sort it out.

Happy President’s Day. Now go out and buy a car.

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“Ideological certainty easily degenerates into an insistence upon ignorance”Daniel P. Moynihan.

“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.”

LOVE TO ALL.

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Shakes
Shakes
5 months ago

Poor poor persecuted white people.

Jonathan Melle
Jonathan Melle
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

Shakes & Dan Valenti are echoing Hitler by saying (possibly sarcasm): “Poor poor persecuted white people” & “You got that right”, respectively.

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  Jonathan Melle
5 months ago

My statement is sarcasm, Dan Valenti’s is not.

JoeKapanski
JoeKapanski
5 months ago

Dan, I’d love to buy a new used car to replace my 15 year old one with 150,000 miles, on Presidents Day, but I can’t afford it. Getting screwed big time with the property tax increase and the water and sewer increases. Got any winning lottery numbers for a Kapanski?

TellitLikeitIs
TellitLikeitIs
5 months ago

The wonder years were wonderful Dan. Country’s been going to hell in a hand basket since Armstrong Walked on the moon. Pittsfield since urban renewal in 66. MAGA.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  TellitLikeitIs
5 months ago

Going to hell in a handbasket since the auto industry failed to make a good car and failed to see the oil problem that caussd gas rationing.Went to war to stop communism in Asia and the Cities were burning because of racism.Nothing snd I repeat nothing has changed.

Johnny99
Johnny99
5 months ago

The only thing keeping the wolves at bay are the cops. Anybody disrespecting the national anthem by taking a knee because of alleged police brutality should never call the police and wear a DNR bracelet so when they choked on their own bs, the cops they hate so much will know not to say their sorry ass.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

That would be your President Don John Trump

Jonathan Melle
Jonathan Melle
5 months ago

On 2/16/2020, The Berkshire Eagle’s city reporter Amanda Drane wrote: “Mayor Linda Tyer will also announce the launch of a new economic development initiative this week. Her office plans to provide more information at 11 a.m. Tuesday [2/18] in council chambers.”

I wonder if the lovely Linda Tyer’s new economic development initiative will include lowering municipal taxes, fees, and debts/liabilities? Mark Tully recently wrote on Dan Valenti’s awesome blog that Pittsfield (Massachusetts) has the 2nd highest commercial or business tax rate in the entire Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Pittsfield also has hundred of millions of dollars in municipal public debts/liabilities. Pittsfield also has a shrinking population/tax base where hundreds of living wage jobs have been lost over the past 2 decades. Somehow, the vested (Big 3 public workers’ unions) and special (out-of-town millionaires) interests always win, while Mary Jane and Joe Kapanski’s family always loses in Pittsfield politics. It is Robin Hood in reverse for the hard-hit working class Pittsfield taxpayers.

Matt Kerwood has $10.1 million in his slush fund account in City Hall. Yet, he still uses “creative accounting” and his long-time friend Scanlon as his recurring municipal auditor. I could do the same thing as Matt Kerwood! I could overtax the Kapanski family, and put their excess tax dollars into a slush fund, too.

Then you have Pittsfield Economic Development Authority (PEDA) business park, which sits polluted and empty for over 2 decades now. How much longer will PEDA stay fiscally solvent? Then what happens to PEDA as the 2020’s decade progresses forward in time?

Then you have the EPA and GE settlement last Monday, 2/10/2020. It was based on a false promise because there is no financial commitments from GE to pay for the expensive cleanup projects that will take years to complete and hundreds of millions of dollars in payments. Worst of all, Lee (Massachusetts) will get an industrial toxic waste dump.

Would you trust GE after it has committed tens of billions of U.S. Dollars in accounting fraud since 1995, which is being investigated by the SEC, to agree to an empty promise to cleanup the Housatonic River of PCBs chemicals without making a financial commitment as to how much money they will pay for the project? Moreover, GE has tens of billions of dollars in toxic debts it cannot sell off or possibly pay for. What if GE files for bankruptcy in the middle of the cleanup project? Who will pay for the remaining cleanup then?

In closing, Pittsfield/Berkshire County has gotten screwed over by both Pittsfield politics and the General Electric company!

– Jonathan Melle

Jonathan Melle
Jonathan Melle
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

Pittsfield politics shakes down the working class taxpayers instead of investing in them. There are winners and losers in this shell game, and Mary Jane and Joe Kapanski always lose!

At least Matt Kerwood has his $10.1 million slush fund to move the Kapanski’s tax funds around different municipal accounts. I guess that is all that matter in the lovely Linda Tyer administration.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

Google Pittsfield, Ma. crime statistics to see what else we are high in. Scary facts city hall does not want you to know about or believe.

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

Data?

JoeKapanski
JoeKapanski
Reply to  Jonathan Melle
5 months ago

Great! Another vibrant, dynamic, economic development initiative. How much is this one going to cost us Kapanskis???

Jonathan Melle
Jonathan Melle
Reply to  JoeKapanski
5 months ago

What’s another couple million dollars among “friends” of the Kapanski family?

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  JoeKapanski
5 months ago

And who is really benefitting from all these “economic development initiatives?” Could it be special interest folk? Are these “initiatives” dreamed up specifically to line their pockets and not really necessary at all? How about a vibrant, dynamic forensic audit since the city is apparently rolling in overtaxed money? I do not see a downside so what is the holdup mayor?

Police Report
Police Report
Reply to  Jonathan Melle
5 months ago

Mayor Linda Tyer has another $8 million to play with.

MMNS
MMNS
Reply to  Jonathan Melle
5 months ago

Perhpas she will announce that the Marijuana Money is going for a New police Station, along with the PCB 8 million.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Jonathan Melle
5 months ago

The average public city worker makes about 34 k.The teachers make 70k.Mccandless 165 plus

CC The Maze Sun
CC The Maze Sun
5 months ago

“He’s laughing with another girl
And playing with another HEART
Placing high stakes, making hearts ache
He’s loved in 7 languages
Diamond nights and ruby lights, high in the sky
Heaven Help Him, When He Falls

Diamond life, lover boy
He move in space with minimum waste and maximum joy
City lights and business nights
When you require streetcar desire for higher heights

No place for beginners or sensitive hearts
When sentiment is left to chance
No place to be ending but somewhere to start

No need to ask
He’s a smooth operator

Coast to coast, LA to Chicago, WESTERN Male
Across the north and south, to Key Largo, love for sale

Face to face, each classic case
We shadow box and double cross
Yet need the chase

A license to love, insurance to hold
Melts all your memories and change into gold
His eyes are like angels but his heart is cold”. – Sade

Kermit Frog
Kermit Frog
5 months ago

The Constitution protects against compelled speech – be it repeating the pledge or standing for the National Anthem. You have no obligation to conduct compelled speech.
The police have nothing to do with constitutional freedoms and have done nothing to protect them and therefore have nothing to do with it. They are not the army.
I can not bear the perpetual victim approach of all the lefties. And I can not bear the smug attitude of most police, who tend to be recruited from the bottom of the barrel, shy of a elected official.
This is a good article:
http://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/populism-identity-politics-why-they-rise-in-tandem/amp/

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

Great article Kermit Frog. Whites are told to forget about their white identity while non-whites are told to celebrate their race and not to assimilate into American society. Whites who insist on celebrating their white identity are called “racists”. In order to have a country we need to have patriotism since it celebrates and honors out country regardless of what race we happen to be. We need to have certain symbols and rituals that we can all respect in order to honor out country.

Nationalism is about honoring the needs of your country above those of other countries. Globalists hate Nationalism because Globalists want everybody to see themselves as world citizens and not citizens of a particular country. The hypocrisy is that when it comes to world citizenship, we are all encouraged by the Globalists to be as one family, but when it comes to your own country, the message is just the opposite which is to NOT acknowledge the fact that we are all Americans. This idea kills patriotism and creates governments like the one we have now where nobody can agree on anything.

Johnny99
Johnny99
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

Like I said, the only thing keeping the wolves at bay are the cops. Anybody disrespecting the national anthem by taking a knee because of alleged police brutality should never call the police and also should wear a DNR bracelet so when they choked on their own bs, the cops they hate so much will know not to save their sorry asses. The police risk their lives every day in this country for ungrateful people llike you, and it is an honorable and esteemed occupation, and actually attracts plenty of smart and dedicated and selfless people, and not the bottom of the barrel. You have no obligation to stand for the anthem, that’s true. But the police are the only thing standing between your freedom and total chaos, as in robbing, raping, looting, etceterra, you and your loved ones, and if you are going to disrespect police by kneeling during national anthemn over fake news about racist police, then don’t call the cops when you need them.

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

Generally, police are not bright or educated. I certainly don’t want one without medical training touching me if I’m in peril.

TellitLikeitIs
TellitLikeitIs
Reply to  Shakes
5 months ago

Generally, you are an ignorant man, at least on this subject. If you are in peril, who do you think would get there first, a fireman who is asleep in the station, an ambulance person back at the ambulance barn, or a trained first responder police officer who is out where the rubber meets the road??? Dummy Up.

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  TellitLikeitIs
5 months ago

Definitely not a policeman walking around west side or morning side. I’d be as likely to get robbed as saved if the police showed up at the crib first. Again, don’t touch me if you aren’t licensed.

Blare
Blare
Reply to  TellitLikeitIs
5 months ago

If I was in peril, without knowing anything else, I would absolutely prefer that a fireman came to my aid. Generally speaking, firemen choose their profession because they want to help/save people. Generally speaking, that is not all the caae for cops. Morally complete, outstanding human beings like officer Darren Derby are the exception among cops, definitely not the rule. Not the case among firemen. My guess is that you prefer the vengeance aspect of policing. Not unreasonable if you have been deeply affected by crime in some way, but make no mistake, I’ll take a fireman over a cop any day.

Kermit Frog
Kermit Frog
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

Why? Why can we criticize politicians and not cops? How many people do you know who embezzle from their employer? I don’t know any. Yet the MA state police have an entire division. How many Pitts cops in trouble with the police for stupid crap? Cops are so fragile in their egos and so aggressive in any question of their perceived authority.
Also, I don’t believe the police stand for anything like you suggest – common decency and civility do. I think those comments are ridiculous. Years ago the power went out in New York City – police couldn’t do anything and there was no looting or rioting – why? A connection to the community.
Cops achieve nothing without a connection to the community and that is what the objection to the national anthem is about.

Johnny99
Johnny99
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

The objection to the anthem
is based on fake news – the cops are not a bunch of racists and the cops are standing between order and chaos and you can take a knee all you want for all the wrong reasons, but don’t be a hypocrite about it and then call a cop when you need help. And maybe educate yourself on the truth – try The War on Cops by Heather MacDonald for starters.

Kermit Frog
Kermit Frog
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

I don’t believe all cops or even most cops are racist. I just don’t believe they are saviors. I also don’t believe they are preventing chaos. I will look at the book.

Johnny99
Johnny99
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

Thank you. They are fallable humans like the rest of us, but most are honorable and have their hearts in the right place. They are saviors and preventing chaos in the sense that they are the first, and really only, line of defense between a mostly peaceful society, and a total free for all, where in the bad guys takes what they want, whether that be sex with our daughters, or just our possessions and money. Here is a case in point, thanks to the liberal DA’s.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-bail-reform-law-nyc-subway-thief-thanks-democrats-139th-arrest

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

I know a white couple no children making 125 k a year who blame minorities because they spend all their money on irresponsible buys.How the hell cant you get by on 10k a month.They vote Trump because they feel he has heard their racist thoughts.They still are broke and I laugh my ass off at their ignorance.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

The far left wants to confiscate all vehicles if elected in 2020. It is critical that the Green New Deal does not get a chance. Trump 2020!!!

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Far left will never ever ever be elected.We are all pretty much in the middle.No matter where you stand hate and fear of skin color is absolutely unchristian and immoral even if your president promotes it and you buy into it its evil and disgusting

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

So you’re admitting, the democrat/socialist candidates are all un-electable, as they are left of Joe Stalin and Chairman Mao.

You have a serious case of TDS.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

I do not think sanders can be elected.Bloomberg Klobuchar Biden Buttigieg Clinton are middle politicians. They are also not interested in taking over your goverment or being a puppet to Russia.Trump is a danger to Americans and all people that fought to get us here.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Don’t be fooled by Buttigieg. He is NOT a moderate Democrat. I can’t even think about Hillary in any position in government.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Hillary is the smartest middle of the road healthcare advocate.She would like 1 payer healthcare.She will also kick Putins ass back 30 years.There is a reason Putin wanted the push over Trump for president

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

These democrats will be enemies of Russia.Trumps idol is Puttin.Trump will take everything you own and you will never know becsuse he left you your gun

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Wonderful TDS rant TSC.

The D-Rats are to the highest bidder, Soros?

Johnny2Shoes
Johnny2Shoes
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

I agree with you. Looks like the democrat establishment will stop that from happening even if the voters choose a nominee who is far left.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

I hear there is a conspiracy to bring back Hillary and she is personally going to go house to house tearing up people Medicare policies. And Bill is going to be outside looking in the window giving the finger to the homeowner. It’s awful I tell ya.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Im a lib and I want to be able to get a gun and I dont want your car.Just stupid what trump and Rush make you fear.

Gobsig
Gobsig
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

You forgot to state that you’re a buffoon.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Gobsig
5 months ago

Liking a racist president makes you ignorant .

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

Excellent article Kermit Frog. Spells out just how important it is to put identity politics aside and support your country. We are all Americans first. Everyone should be proud of their race even white people, but we should all come together and be patriotic in support of our country.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

Nationalism is putting the needs of your country above the needs of other countries. The Globalists despise Nationalism. Globalists want everyone to be one big family when it comes to world government, but not feel like one family when it comes to your own country.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Yer right Pat. I think it is even in the Bible that people doing well should shun the lesser haves. Jesus felt strongly that no one should be helping other people. I ferget what page it is on but I remember my catechism teacher telling us about it.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
5 months ago

Help people to help themselves. Give me a fish and I eat for today. Teach me to fish and I can provide for myself. Providing for ourselves is the key. Not relying on someone else or something else like big government to do it for us. We need a government that offers empowerment to people, not taking away our power by making us dependent on big government.

Be The Change
Be The Change
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Did Jesus have a fishing licence ?

Be The Change
Be The Change
Reply to  Be The Change
5 months ago

Sp*

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Nobody wants to eat fish every day and that includes eskimos. You are going to have to learn how to whack a walrus over the head with a Billy club or run down an elk with a snow mobile.
On the other hand if you are big business like Oil or coal or steel the government can give you a huge tax break worth possibly billions of bucks. Now don’t be confusing that with a handout . Johnnies food stamps are handouts. Farm subsides are not handouts. And being able to write off billions in taxes because of loop holes is not hand outs either. Section eight is a handout though. Do you see the difference here? If the money/handout goes to a wealthy person or business it is NOT a handout. Bank bailouts are not handout either. Stop your whining.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
5 months ago

Military budget is all handouts.100 times cost for items.Trump said Mexico is paying for our space force.Hawaii wants a wall now and so does Florida from Georgia

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Stop Pat.Trump csnt get by on his own.Trump cant fish and hes Trumpwelfare.Trump manipulates media to make you think he hates media.You know this Right.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Off your meds again?

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Kermit Frog
5 months ago

Trump has never woke up without being the victim.Who can cry like him orher than Rudy and Linda Graham

Chuck Vincelette
Chuck Vincelette
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Who? Just about every democrat I know. Many are still whining about the election of Trump in 2016. Not sure what happens if the president is re-elected. Cry me a river should be their theme song.

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

For someone so in touch with the Constitution, you sure do propose disregarding it.

Kermit Frog
Kermit Frog
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

It’s been tried over and over again that a person doesn’t have to say it, or stand. Whether that is courteous or not is another question. It’s also consistent that the gov in all it’s forms can’t violate our constitutional freedoms – which makes our constitutional more cool and relevant and maybe should make people more patriotic.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

Yes it can demand all those things.In the end how you enforce it may be a legal problem for one or the other.

Truthsayer
Truthsayer
5 months ago

Facebook and social media have only made things worse. Nowadays, what’s false is true and what’s true is false, and even the smallest argument is blown up into the third world war. If we speak our personal beliefs and they’re not politically correct, we’re labeled as racists, sexists, right wingers, left wingers, or simply ostracized.

Life is crumbling around us, but we can’t see it because we’re too busy looking at out phones.

Be The Change
Be The Change
Reply to  Truthsayer
5 months ago

I was reading the Montevideo Convention of 1933, on my phone.

The school committee
The school committee
5 months ago

Its no accident the white teacher focused on the 2 kids.I would fire him.High School kids dont act appropriately at any given time.We all saw the video of Trumps behavior when the anthem played at his Super bowl party.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
5 months ago

How about “red flag” laws Dan? Patriotic to oppose those?

Unconstitutional laws. Violation of several amendments to Bill of Rights. 2nd and 4th for sure. No due process , guilty unless YOU can prove yourself innocent. Thank Gov.Baker for signing this law and the stooges infesting Beacon Hill for passing it.

There have been incidents here in Massachusetts of this abuse, and in other states:

https://www.thedailysheeple.com/outrageous-84-year-old-korean-war-police-veteran-school-crossing-guard-has-guns-confiscated-under-red-flag-law/

“Outrageous! 84-year old Korean War & Police Veteran, School Crossing Guard has guns confiscated under ‘Red Flag Law’”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/08/19/red-flag-law-failure-guy-is-stripped-of-his-gunsbecause-of-another-mans-criminal-activity-n2551921

“Just last week, a man in Florida had his firearms confiscated simply because he had the same name as a criminal. That’s right. A man was stripped of his Second Amendment right…because the police failed to differentiate a law-abiding citizen with a thug. ”

Case law.

“The general misconception is that any statue passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statue to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid. This is succinctly stated as follows:

“All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.”

Marberry vs Madison, 5 US, 137, 174, 176 (1803)

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

Did he get his guns back.?

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Neither one has, yet.

No due process, guilty, until YOU prove yourself innocent. Democrat America!!!

There needs to be a big fat civil lawsuit against states that have enacted these unconstitutional laws. And the people who enacted them removed from office as they have violated their oath of office to uphold the US Constitution. That will pretty much clean out the Massachusetts Statehouse.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
5 months ago

Democrats today say no one is above the law, not even the President.

So the questions is, why do they think Criminal Illegal Aliens are?

Is that cause they are Patriotic?

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

Trump wants men like you to hate your fellow Ameticans and vote for him while he takes you money and gives it to the wealthy.You must use disernment.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

I like my fellow Americans. But I can’t understand the liberals coddling of foreign Criminals?

It’s all the Criminal Aliens ,the Democrats treat better than US citizens, I have a problem with.

P.S. what is “disernment”?

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

Actually, criminal aliens are treated the same as citizens. Not to let the facts get in the way.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  Shakes
5 months ago

Nope. If they get arrested they are set free by sanctuary cities/states/judges. Then they disappear until they are caught committing more crimes.

DWI? No problem let them go!!! Then give them a drivers license!!!!

Rape? No problem let them go!!!!

Already deported 5 times? No problem let them go!!!

Selling drugs? No problem let them go!!!!!

Fact is they should be deported, or incarcerated then deported.

Immigration should be merit based and only for those who do it LEGALLY!!!

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

While you busy with the illegals what did Trump do with his 1.7 trillion dollar hiest

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

No, they are not illegally detained until the Feds show up. If the Feds take them into custody in the requisite time, they are further detained. If not, they make bail or release just like a citizen. Many parts of the constitution apply to everyone, not just citizens. Unlawful detention is one of them.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  Shakes
5 months ago

If ICE has a detainer on them , they would not be being held illegally.

Further releasing, harboring or aiding/abetting these criminals is a federal felony. Maybe these sanctuary city mayors/governors need some time in the federal crowbar hotel?

1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses

Harboring — Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who — knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.

Encouraging/Inducing — Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who — encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting — Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

Penalties– The basic statutory maximum penalty for violating 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(i) and (v)(I) (alien smuggling and conspiracy) is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both. With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. In addition, significant enhanced penalties are provided for in violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1) involving serious bodily injury or placing life in jeopardy. Moreover, if the violation results in the death of any person, the defendant may be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

See the last part of “Penalties”!!!

They (sanctuary mayors/governors) have let these feral beasts loose in the USA, too commit MURDERS, plural!!!

Read the statute:

Moreover, if the violation RESULTS IN THE DEATH of ANY person, the defendant may be PUNISHED BY DEATH or by imprisonment for any term of years.

Hang them HIGH!!!

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

Local police do not enforce Federal laws. Would you like the FBI to hand out speeding tickets? Also, ICE detainers are not indefinite. Holding releasable accused persons is a huge local cost burden.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

You dont know.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

I think TSC might be suggesting that you need a more balanced view of the world. Fox news, Breitbart and Hannity seem to have skewed your vision of the real world. You lack objectivity in my opinion.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

Put employers in jail who hire illegals so that there is no incentive to be here.One year mandatory. Trump and Romney would not entice unlimited cheap labor undercutting American citizens. My view is very conservative.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

See 1907. Title 8, U.S.C. 1324(a) Offenses

Johnny2Shoes
Johnny2Shoes
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

E Verify would help to stop some of this problem. Big companies and the Chamber of commerce don’t want E Verify. I’m surprised that the unions aren’t putting up a bigger stink about it to protect all the American Workers and the ones who belong to unions.Open borders or a less restrictive border will not help the incentive at all. Cheap labor is something that has been sought no matter the party affiliation for a long time.

Gobsig
Gobsig
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Disernment is very important.

Be The Change
Be The Change
Reply to  Gobsig
5 months ago

Discerning + Disearning…… = recognizing a fraud + informed discretion = Free Will.

Blare
Blare
5 months ago

Whatever your cause, whatever your beliefs, you will always be able to scrounge up anecdotes to support your position IN A COUNTRY OF 325 MILLION. Dan, your Chicago example is truly pathetic. Means nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Sheer stupidity. Extrapolating that into a trend is seriously weak. Completely undercuts your credibility, fyi.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  Blare
5 months ago

Most gun control and most gun murders in the nation, Chicago. Chicago is a truly pathetic democrat enclave.
Run into the dirt by dirty Democrats like Rahm Emmanuel (sp?) , and Barry Sotero.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/2/1/21117923/january-2020-monthly-crime-stats-chicago-police-shootings-homicide-gun-violence

“Shootings, homicides increased in January compared to 2019: police

The 34 murders reported in January this year are a 55% increase from the 22 reported during the same period in 2019, police said.”

Nancy Pelousey’s SF is not far behind. Homeless hovels abound and human feces covering the sidewalks.

https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/map-street-sidewalk-poop-feces-311-report-waste-13278828.php

“Unsurprisingly to anyone who’s ever braved a San Francisco sidewalk, the city had the highest incidents of feces complaints in 2017 compared to New York and Chicago. Nearly 21,000 poop sightings were reported in San Francisco in 2017 — about 10 times New York City’s poop-sighting total and more than 20 times that of Chicago. On average, there are 455.89 complaints filed for each of San Francisco’s 47 square miles.”

Baltimore, the “rat capital of the USA”, is another example of liberal policies.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/28/baltimore-rat-infestation-documentary-trump/

“In September 2018, another Baltimore Sun article quoted then-Mayor Catherine Pugh as saying that the problem was so extensive that “you can smell the rats.”

The school committee
The school committee
5 months ago

Trump letting the wealthy off the hook

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

Do not believe for a moment that Bagdonavich did not sign over his balls to Trump for the pardon. Look for him to be campaigning and kissing Trumps anal canal right up until the election. Trump owns this guy and everybody else he has pardoned. And they would not have been pardoned without giving over their soul to him. MAGA These are moves he has learned from Mr. Putin.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
5 months ago

Your candidate Bernie Sanders is having a love affair with Putin, Russia and all communist countries. Bernie even honeymooned in Russia. So Romantic!!! Did you complain about all the pardons from former Democratic presidents and wonder why Obama or Clinton pardoned some really bad guys?

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
5 months ago

Trump was going to build one of his famous towers in Moscow with Putins blessing. the only thing Putin knows about Bernie Sanders is that he is going to hack our elections so he can’t win. Just like last time.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
5 months ago

He has dirt on Barry Sotero.

Johnny2Shoes
Johnny2Shoes
Reply to  The school committee
5 months ago

That’s Rich.

Johnny99
Johnny99
5 months ago

So here’s the link to the hullabaloo at council chambers today – a braggadocio website that should’ve been up years ago.

https://www.berkshireeagle.com/stories/new-website-markets-pittsfields-business-strengths,597603

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

I don’t contribute graft/tribute to the Left Winged Parrot.

Post the text so I can see the drivel………nahhh forget it! I just had lunch and want to keep it.

Shakes
Shakes
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

So you want someone to break the law to save your nickel, typical freeloader.

Looki Luvyonoh
Looki Luvyonoh
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

Surprised Trump didn’t pa don Bernie Madoff

JoeKapanski
JoeKapanski
Reply to  Johnny99
5 months ago

Dan, as an expert in baseball, please enlighten us Kapanskis about how Tyer can claim city is knocking it out of the park, when she then says in the next line we are just now rounding second base?????

stopandbesmearch
stopandbesmearch
Reply to  JoeKapanski
5 months ago

I was thinking the same thing J K. Dan,must be laughing at that one. Rounding second alright, and getting picked off at third. She can’t even make good on blight. Toxic mound and blighted Hess Forest bear two schools.

Korkys Knightmare
Korkys Knightmare
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

That is the best of today! Pete Rose would call it cheating. Still remember that Fosse Deal!

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  danvalenti
5 months ago

After 10 foul balls ROFL!!!

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Mad Trapper
5 months ago

How is she doing with the forensic audit? Is it finished yet? And what were the results? Is everybody clean? Will the taxpayers be allowed to see it or will it be stored in a lockbox with Donald Trumps tax returns.

tearorondatrac
tearorondatrac
Reply to  JoeKapanski
5 months ago

A lot of ground rule doubles at best.

Merry & Bright
Merry & Bright
Reply to  JoeKapanski
5 months ago

Does Lovely Linda write her own speeches? A second grader probably knows more about baseball than she does. I would think she would be totally embarrassed for the latest comment. Lovely Linda hasn’t even gotten the City out of the dugout. She is two for two in totally stupid comments in less than a week. Last week the stupid comment was about no applicants fitting in with her organization’s culture. Dan, did she ever get back to you to explain this comment? I am also wondering who will keep this new dynamic website up, hope it is not the same person that works with the City of Pittsfield website. It only took someone almost three years to remove Officer Coco from the site. He was fired, served time in prison, released and all those years he was listed as the baby seat installation expert.

Economic Injun
Economic Injun
5 months ago

We’ll all be rolling in cash soon because Tyer is collaborating.Who the F she’s collaborating with we don’t know. Maybe the movers and shakers at Warren Dews’ cigar club?

X-Lachs Lounge
X-Lachs Lounge
Reply to  Economic Injun
5 months ago

TSC will be rich.

Fallukon
Fallukon
Reply to  X-Lachs Lounge
5 months ago

Kuffkinks will distribute appropriately.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Economic Injun
5 months ago

Is she collaborating with people who have investments on Tyler street? Are they al getting what they need at taxpayer expense?

Si Venerabullsonbich
Si Venerabullsonbich
Reply to  Economic Injun
5 months ago

Speaking of baseball,how many trips to restaurants and Fenway did the mayor take?

Be The Change
Be The Change
Reply to  Economic Injun
5 months ago

Craig Barnum.

Mark Tully
Mark Tully
5 months ago

I heard on the news that the Mayor was going to give a press conference about a new economic development initiative, so I tuned into PCTV during a break at work to watch. I was extremely disappointed to find out it was only about a new website and more propaganda about how many businesses the red carpet team has helped. I was embarrassed.

Be The Change
Be The Change
5 months ago

How do these n sleep thru the night !

Gobsig
Gobsig
5 months ago

Tyer is to Pittsfield like Max Patkin was to baseball.

Free Bird
Free Bird
5 months ago

If Hillary becomes VP she will be just one suicide away from the presidency.