BLACK LIVES MATTER , BUT SO DOES THE RULE OF LAW
BY DAN VALENTI
PLANET VALENTI NEWS AND COMMENTARY
(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, THE WEEKEND EDITION JUNE 5-7, 2020) — He had good and bad in him, like all of us.
THE PLANET won’t presume to “know” George Floyd or what kind of person he was. We only know some facts about his life plus what those who knew him say. Did he deserve to die in the manner he did? No. Does the country deserve to be further torn by this one life? Also no.
Friends describe Floyd. as a “gentle Giant.” Family describe a good man, good father, quiet — you know, all of the angelic things they say about someone after he’s dead. Only the good die young and all that eulogic rubbish. Those are post-mortem opinions. Now some facts:
- Floyd had a three children out of wedlock.
- In 2017, he left the woman and children in Houston to go to Minneapolis.
- In the 1990s and the first decade of the 200os, police arrested Floyd nine times.
- He did five stints in jail.
- He had two convictions.
- One of the convictions was for aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. Floyd and four accomplices drove to a woman’s home. He and one of the band entered a woman’s home, with Floyd’s accomplice wearing a blue uniform posing as a water department employee. Floyd pointed a gun at the woman’s stomach. The other guy guarded her, hitting her in the head and side with a pistol while Floyd searched for money and drugs. He found none but made off with jewelry and the woman’s cell phone. An alert neighbor took down the license plate of the car. Floyd was convicted and sentenced to five years.
- Prior to his death-by-knee at the hands of the Minneapolis police, he tried to pay for a purchase in a store with a counterfeit $20 bill.
- When police showed up, Floyd resisted arrest.
- The Hennepin County medical examine found drugs in his system at the time of death — “recent use of methamphetamine” as well as fentanyl.
- He had narrowing of the heart arteries.
- Floyd had asymptomatic COVID-19, but he was out in public without a mask, capable of infecting others.
- One of the two with Floyd in the car as he was arrested has outstanding arrest warrants in Houston.
That’s the George Floyd you didn’t know. George Floyd, Bad Actor. Quite a contrast with George Floyd, newly canonized saint.
Before anyone screams at THE PLANET for being the messenger, we note that none of this justifies officer Derek Chauvin’s 8-minute knee-pin. Floyd did not deserve to die in the manner depicted in the now-infamous video. The other responding officers were complicit. All four have been charged in connection with Floyd’s death, Chauvin with murder.
That used to be justice.
It no longer is in America. Justice now takes the form of looting, burning, and murder.
Social media turned Floyd’s death into a cause celeb, and a lot of good might have come from it. It served the black community with a huge opportunity — its Big Moment to show that it, too, realizes that America is and must be a nation of laws. Events placed the golf ball fat on the tee, with an opportunity to “drive the green.” Instead, the black community shanked badly to the left. The mishit not only prevented the good that might have come from Floyd’s death. It set the cause back, forcing authorities into strong-arm tactics.
“I swore an oath to uphold the laws of our nation,” said President Trump, “and that is exactly what I will do.”
Trump promised “bold, definitive, and unapologetic action,” calling himself “your President of law and order.” It echoed Trump’s winning strategy in 2016 as “your candidate of law and order.”
Black Lives Matter.
So does The Rule of Law.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
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“You must strip yourself of all self-deception” — Frances Wickes.
“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.”
LOVE TO ALL.
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As bad an actor as you portrayed the man he suffered for many minutes and begged for his life. An animal would have gotten more mercy.According to the family he was turning the corner to that aspect. What does that have to do with the officers brutality or his past. His family loved him and forgave his sins and 14 million dollars of love has poured into an account to help his family.
Family my ass. The money will be fought over and pissed away just like Rodney Kings. What kind of family do you really think he had. He wasn’t much of a father apparently.
Where can I send to the fund of his mr. Floyds little daughter,same place?
Great column, amazing how all the facts about George Floyd never made it to mainstream news. Thanks for publishing this info.
The mainstream fake news also glossed over the death of a noble citizen named David Dorn, a retired 77 year old black St. Louis Police Captain – shot dead by looters while he was providing security for a pawn shop. Truly tragic loss.
Trump was willing to call in the military to defend citizens and I applaud him for that. And the swamp response? Mad Dog & other military leaders criticized & threw stones at him, while Cuomo & DiBlasio continue to allow NYC to be destroyed by Antifa and other bad actors
Trump 2020!.
Any body on the fence will surely be voting for Trump now.
This has ignited Trump’s base like nothing seen so far. He now has a strong campaign theme for November, which is only five months away.
I think Trump is the worst thing that has ever happened to America. BUT, I agree that this will not only ignite his base but take away people who might have voted for Biden. This thing definitely went in the wrong direction on so many levels.
Thanks, FRITZ.
Facts are verboten to the leftist mainstream muse because once you start dealing with facts you have to answer for them. The left never answers for anything that contains substance or truth because that leads to a narrative counter to their own. The day the media and the left own up to their feckless failures of suppressing the truth will be the day, superman returns touting truth, justice and the American way
All the information in the above column has already been published In The main stream media you are decrying. What do you think.Dan went out to Minneapolis and did his own Investigation? And while some ofTrump’s base may have been ignited, it is shrinking and formerly loyal people are finally calling him out. There was no Antifa looting NYC. That was done by cowards committing crimes of opportunity. This I know first hand. Just saying hes the law and order president does not make him so without real action. How about being the uniting, society healing president? Nope, much easier to threaten with “ominous weapons” then shoot peaceful protesters with rubber bullets and pepper bombs. He’s toast. That’s why hes now brought in a private, unidentified “army” with accountability to no one. This is an unprecedentedly dangerous time and this guy is more and more isolated every day. He will turn the weapons of the mightiest country in the world against it’s own people if he thinks it will help him remain in power.
Mr. G, globalist troll,
What mainstream rag has printed Floyd’s complete criminal past as researched by Dan, above? This info IS widely available on conservative sites.
No antifa in NYC? Do you have proof of that?
Trump wasn’t elected to be a “unifier” – he was elected to kick out the swamp dwellers i.e. globalists seeking to destroy the U.S. in favor of one world government.
I’m glad he called in the military – these out-of-control mobs financed by Soros will respect military might. Bravo Trump! Meanwhile the NYC violence continues while Cuomo/Diblasio refuse to call in their national guard to protect people & property. Intentional destruction of the city!
Can you show me one link that brings all of this together, the way THE PLANET has? A link from the mainstream media, that is. Two other separate facts: I did go out to Minneapolis* and I did my own investigation.
* for my brother-in-law’s wedding in 2001
Well look who’s providing the bricks for the riots…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=VqhgO9Dz7Rc
Received a letter today from Greylock Bank President. At first I thought it was going to be an apology for the long lines at their drive thru’s, but no, it’s an apology for being white, load with non-sense, and claims that law enforcement is racist, as well as all other “systems” in Berkshire County. He is out to lunch, and I am taking my substantial business to another bank:
In the past week we have all witnessed tragic events across our country. Even as communities work to recover from COVID-19, we are now confronted with the aftershocks from the brutal death of George Floyd, and from the countless murders of other Black Americans through the months, the years, and the centuries of our national struggle with racism.
The truth is that the daily brutality of racism is not confined to law enforcement or the criminal justice system. The insidious force of racism pervades every system in America and Berkshire County, from housing to education, to government and media, and to the business community and the financial system. So while we must confront and mourn the reality of Mr. Floyd’s horrific death, all of us in positions of influence must also commit every ounce of our energy to changing our own practices inside of our organizations and industries.
I am grateful for the leadership of our volunteer Board of Directors and employees at Greylock Federal who have committed to long-term change across the domains of inclusion, diversity, equity and accessibility. We have made progress in changing our hiring practices and policies, and we have expanded access in many meaningful ways. But we know that we have a long way to go to achieve true financial inclusion, and I deeply appreciate the counsel of Black leaders, advisers and mentors in helping us shape our approach.
At a rally this past weekend I heard a group of young protesters chanting, “No justice, no peace.” Achieving real, sustained social justice requires achieving economic justice. And economic justice relies upon an inclusive financial system, and upon inclusive business practices. This work starts with me, and people who look like me, who are in positions of leadership.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by bad people but the silence over that by the good people.” So, people of Berkshire County, where is our voice? Where is our action? What are we willing to do to assist people of color and show our belief that we are all truly created equal?
We need to listen respectfully to our Black neighbors and colleagues, and we need to act, now and for generations to come. Precious lives depend on us making real and systemic changes.
This letter is offered with the full endorsement of Greylock Federal’s Board of Directors.
John L. Bissell
President/CEO
Greylock Federal Credit Union
Bissell is right, in the past week we have all witnessed the despicable looting, rioting, arson and murder, including the execution of a 77 year old retired police captain who happened to be black, died while streamed on facebook live, shot by looters. While we can’t shop at most stores, or let our kids play in playground, democrats let looters, rioters, and killers run free, and now they want to defund the police. Perhaps these are the after shocks he writes about. Myabe somebody should tell BIssell that most murdered blacks are killed by other blacks, not the police. And that blacks have been given preference for years in college admissions and governement employment.
Maybe somebody should tell him to spend more time getting his customers through the drive through lines, or open the damn lobby’s, and less time writing a white guilt diatribe.
So if you’re white and want to work at Greylock, or get promoted, you will now be discriminated against.
If you’re white and work at Greylock, you’re screwed … unless you are John Bissell. Tell everyone that “Angelo sent him” … Bissell, that is.
Bissell is an ass. Transfer your money to another bank.
Does anyone have Bissel’s email address ? I wamt to get taken off his social justice list.
Got one as well. I don’t get it. Should all white people now hang their heads in shame for being white?
Yes. And you should get down on your knees and apologize for your white privledge, like the stupid white chick did, on viral video, after being asked by a “black lives matter employee”
The Greylock Bank just drank the hemlock juice. The Socrates method in this case will be terminal for business. If I had money in Greylock it would be gone by now.
That Bissell capitalizes the word “black” which is a description of skin color, versus an ethnicity, tells you all you really need to know.
HadEnough,
I agree about the Greylock letter. After the Angelo Stracuzzi debacle I switched banks. After the commercial loan officer DiCenzi got nailed for fraud, my family members transferred their funds out of there. The letter that was sent out yesterday was approved by the WHOLE Greylock Board which is even more troubling. Pandering, social justice warrior crap that should not have been sent out. What purpose did that serve, other than to alienate customers who know the truth?
Did he mention what percentage of his employees were black? How many were in positions of power? What percentage of his loans went to black people?
NO. He said they needed to do better.
Did anybody from his bank testify against the white guy DiCenzo or collaborate with the other white guy that went to N.J.?
And why hasn’t DiCenzo been sentenced all these years later. Because he’s White?
If Angelo wasn’t enough, if the loan fraud wasn’t enough, then perhaps the Bissell letter might convince some folks to move their assets elsewhere. As for the contents of our vault, we have NEVER trusted Greylock. Nev-Vah. It’s an individual choice. Mine was always the sleaze factor associated with certain of the institution’s principals, one that is still there from my perspective. I want my financial institutions focused on money not trendy politics … and there are no other kind these days.
Do you think any of the local banks are connected to any local politicians? I mean like do they have city loans and stuff?
Not unless local D-Rats are making money off it.
If so it’s a sure 100% bet!
Bissells letter is just the beginning of this nonsense. I got a missive from Target, who, in response to black looting and rioting their stores, is spending a fortune on black lives causes.
And now Amazon has a black lives matter banner on their website and they will be wasting money on the cause. As Obama would say, let me be clear – black lives absolutely matter but the organization itself is racist and was founded on a lie and wants to defund police and eliminate incarceration..
Screw Bezos. Anybody who support the black lives matter organization is a cop hating racist. They advocate killing police and defunding them.
The GFCU letter seems like a type of statement written as a required sanction, like as though GFCU was officially ordered to apologize publicly for some wrongdoing/ethics violation. Curious who the Board consists of & curious about the Angelo debacle – [I missed it] is their a link [you] could post re: such ? ** I found Planet from April 10, 2012*
BTC
Interesting line of thought. The “F” in GFCU stands for “federal.”
The Greylock Board of Directors – tho I’m not sure that this is the most current…..
https://www.greylock.org/get-to-know-greylock/about-greylock/mission-and-vision.html
GIGI
It has to be considered the most recent because this comes from the union’s official website.
Blue lives matter too Dan. I am Got Damn sick and tired of people claiming that law enforcement is racist. It’s a flat out lie. There are over 10 million arrests per year. The vast majority are without incident. Only 10 blacks killed by police last year that were unarmed and all but 2 were justified. Whites are way more likely to be killed by police, despite the fact that blacks commit 8 times the amount of crime as whites. If black males weren’t committing so much crime, the cops wouldn’t be interacting with them so much.
Dan, thanks for telling it like it is. Floyd was an irresponsible person, who got caught committing another felony, and resisted arrest, was doped up, and was taken down by a mixed bag of cops. Race had nothing to do with it.
A counterfeit $20 did not deserve an arrest though, it about the same as littering while the government debases money by printing trillions and claims it is saving us.
It absolutely deserves and arrest, and a prosecution. All Floyd had to do was comply, and he would be alive today.
sure the cops were enforcing the law, like they did by arresting 100s of thousands for marijuana (and injuring and killing quite a few in the process), but the law is ridiculous
Your handle is hysterical. Your sense of irony is somewhat lacking. Have you ever seen the Errol Morris film by that name? That’s when the phrase “thin blue line” first started being used widely. The prosecutor in the Randall Adams cop killer case used the phrase in his closing argument. It was a powerful appeal to emotion and it worked. Mr Adams was wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death.
There are plenty of goofy handles here perhaps, but the thin blue line isn’t one of them, and in fact the dedicated and selfless police are the only thing preventing complete chaos, and that is what the thin blue line refers to. Just look what happens when looters run wild because police are ordered to stand down. Although cops put their lives on the line everyday for the likes of you, since you don’t appreciate them, don’t call them when you need them.
Maybe try addressing what I say instead of putting words in my mouth and attacking those. I appreciate and respect good cops more than just about anyone else in society. Someone like Darren Derby, who sees the importance of planting the seeds of good relations with cops at an early age and has been rewarded with ridicule on this board for his efforts.
Contrary to your BS, I am as law and order as they come. Without law and order we are lost. But that’s why it’s so important to get rid of the many bad cops and make sure we can have complete confidence in anyone who wields the power of a badge and a gun.
In that regard, people like you are a big part of the problem. You spout the same talking points and rhetoric as the police unions, who protect all cops at all cost and have never acknowledged a bad or guilty cop among them. THAT’S why people don’t trust the police – because they have such a horrendous record of policing themselves.
Maybe that will change once the James King case comes before the Supreme Court. We’ll see.
Police actually have a good record of policing themselves, and to address what you said, no, I never saw movie. But I know Derby way better than you, and I am one of many cops who have zero tolerance for bad ones.
Police have a good record of policing themselves???
That is one of the most absurd things I have ever read.
I responded to this nonsense at length, but my post appeared then disappeared. Not in the mood to repost it. Suffice it to say you are waaaay off base. You spew the rhetoric of police union leaders, who have never seen or heard of a bad cop. It’s insulting to the public and undercuts the credibility of the many good cops who are out there. It also makes it virtually impossible for cops to police themselves. Cops back cops and rats get dealt with accordingly. That’s the creed that has ruled police stations for a long time. It needs to change.
You are clueless sir to internal affairs and policing today.
And heres a tip for you Blare. Your post will appear after you type it on Dan’s site, on your screen, but then will go to his filter after you close out your entry, and it will re-appear, either immediately, or after review, unless vulgar, or way out of line. Be patient.
How many counterfeit $20s did he get away with spending before he got caught? It might not be a crime in Andreas Pittsfield but in some places it is.
Cuomo interview Floyd’s partner said he didn’t hear the other officers saying anything to stop the stituation because he was across the street but said he could hear Floyd begging the officer to get off his neck? What Kind of lawyer does this guy got.
How much did he pay in child support for all these kids?
Fortunes, most likely.
That’s how much we taxpayer paid to support his kids I bet.
Two Cents
Black Lives Matter, which was founded on a lie, wants to defund the police, and free all prisoners. **** them.
Efff them!
Sounds like crime will drop a tad in Minneapolis now, with Floyd gone.
Q: Does the country deserve to be further torn by this one life?
A: Yes. Unfortunately, things don’t change unless the masses take notice.
Thanks, JERRY.
Everyone agrees that what happened to Mr. Floyd was horrible, but to go from that to capitalism is evil, we don’t need any police, and all prisoners should be released is really crazy and those are just some of the extreme ideas I heard proposed today.
Black Lies Matter
And now the DC Mayor is naming a street or plaza after the raciss organization.
Everyone has a past. I don’t care who you are now. Donald Trump had a daughter named Tiffany out-of-wedlock prior to marrying the 2nd of three wives named Marla Maples. Trump has 5 children from 3 mothers – all of whom he openly cheated on. He declared business bankruptcies multiple times over, and he is the first President in decades to not release his federal tax returns. Trump has business ties to the German Deutsche Bank, which receives a lot of financing from Putin’s billionaire Oligarchs in Russia. Trump is a White Nationalist who has political ties with far right neo Nazi political operatives like Stephen Bannon. The military establishment is accusing Trump of using Nazi tactics against civilian protesters. Trump’s 2020 campaign strategy is to blame China for all of our country’s problems. Trump is scapegoating the Chinese race like Hitler scapegoated the Jewish race nearly 90 years ago. I am rooting for Joe Biden for U.S. President!
I’ll be voting for Trump again. And since your obsessed with everything Nazi, Mr Melle, do you know that not only are German soldiers buried in US Veteran cemeteries, but that there are sawastikas in the headstones, and your army allowed it?
Count me in: A vote for Donald in a SWING state — Virginia.
PLUS, gonna campaign for him as well!
In New York City, the rioting and attacks by ANTIFA (the uber-Left military wing of today’s Democrat Party) on Macy’s and the stores along 5th Avenue may be a tipping-point for New York State voters fed up with the Democrat machine politics of the city and state governments.
I agree with the first sentence.
Chuck,
Don’t you still sit on the Greylock Board of Directors? Would you explain the purpose of the letter issued by your leader John Bissell and approved by the board?
And if you are no longer associated with Greylock, then my apologies for asking.
Hey Jon when is the next antifa meeting? Did you receive your pallet of bricks?
He doesn’t need them he has rocks in his head
I will always treat “Mr. Fritz” and my many other detractors with kindness. I like that we disagree with each others’ views on politics.
You’re taken for granite here.
Yes, both Black Lives Matter as does the Rule of Law. So, does the United States Constitution – every word of it and its intent.
In my 66 years of life, I’ve never heard members of the clergy, and I am referring to those Episcopal rectors in Lafayette Park Monday evening, called “terrorists” as they were by “President” Trump and his allies.
I do enjoy listening to all of us good ol’ white men and women whining these days from the safety of our homes as we sip our morning coffee, chewing on a piece of toast, talking about the “rule of law” while our President sits on his fat ass on a gold toilet Tweeting on an iPhone. Such a fearless leader. Such brave souls are we!
Nothing will change. Mattis sure as hell hit the nail on the head, and that peeves all of us white folk more than anything, especially the conservatives among us.
Why are you liberals so obsessed with the image of Trump on the toilet? You are sickos. Was there a problem with your toilet training?
For me the image of Trump on the toilet conjures up a fat man, full of shit and lying his ass off all day. His face is all dark pink from straining and contrasts like a sunset with his light orange hair. I imagine he has clogged his fair share of commodes in his day but it is OK because gold is fairly resistant to acidic stool matter.
weirdo
Our economy is on fire! The jobs report was much higher for May than anyone saw coming. The stock market is soaring. Our country is coming back quickly! The decisions made by President Trump and his economic team have been very right and this great news is WITHOUT including New York and California (both failing due to their politics). President Trump has been so busy working on the virus, the economy, the rioting. Unbelievable!!!!!
Unbelievable. excellent choice of words, Pat.
Berkshire County will always be in trouble due to our local leadership no matter what is happening nationally.
Politically, the radical Left of course does not want to see any progress with the economy. They say otherwise, but their action speak louder than. The saw a form of twisted salvation with the virus. That appears to be fizzling. Now they pin their hopes on the Floyd killing. They certainly don’t want to pin them on Biden, again, judging by their actions.
I agree Dan.
Yes, I always liked his economic advisor Larry Kudlow. He understands how the free market system is supposed to work. Now if they can get a speedy trial and conviction in Minneapolis maybe the protesters will go home, then the looters can go back to the art of shoplifting and the Antifa crowd can go back to their parents basement.
They’ll be apoplectic when the not guilties start rolling in.
Antifa is still recruiting young people. Parents need to check the computers of young people. Kids as young as 13 are being recruited for violence.
The cop who shoved the 75 year old in Buffalo has been suspended. It looked to me like the old man had an object in his hand and confronted the officer. Is that what’s going to happen here,baby sitter arrests with pampers and a bottle.
“cause célèbre” and “eulogistic” or “eulogic(al)”?
Part of my worst nightmare as we see the New Stalinism (of which I have often spoken in here) coming to full bloom.
Thanks to Dan for the Floyd rap sheet. Figured as much.
Possibly all info found in the Lamestream media, but that type of inconvenient fact is always buried somewhere, never emphasized and trumpeted, and usually appears precisely once, so as to give the “journalists” cover: “See, we reported on that.”
Meanwhile, the lies get 1,000% more play.
How about this?
Defund the Looney Toon Left.
Defund Planned Parenthood.
Defund the DNC.
Defund the Dimorats.
BBC had two or three Americans on last night–when you hear words such as “community,” “organizing,” “activism,” you can be sure it ain’t nothin’ but a grab for the cash. Alinsky, call your office.
Defund the police, give me the bulk of the savings, and throw the rest into the shithole that is the “community.”
What did ol’ Rahm say? Nothing like a good crisis . . . to enrich our peeps and get back in power.
Not to digress from the importance of current discussions, but a few posts back someone wrote for a change it would be nice to have sports talk. Well, here’s a good one. Issac Percy, Taconic High School senior, is 2019-20 recipient of the John “Honey” Lahovich award, annually given to the best basketball player in Western Mass. This is a big deal for a high school kid. This award is voted on and given by Springfield and West. Mass. sports experts. For a Berkshire player to receive this honor is extraordinary. Last time a Pittsfield player received it was 2005. Congratulation to Issac Percy. It is a well deserved honor for Issac and Taconic High School.
Nice job by the lad. Thanks for posting, CHUCK.
Chuck,my buddy Sedale Jones won that Award. 2006.
Indeed he did, Putnam. He was an outstanding player and deserving of the award.
Why is the black on black crimes such as murder, drugs, and many others swept under the rug in Chicago and other big inner cities? If they felt black lives really mattered they would have nuked these places by now. The race pimp hustlers don’t show up there to make a stance on a continued basis. They do a occasional drive by to make it look good. Take the politicians, hustlers and money away and much more would get done.
Such hate on here.
Such truth!
Many-currently are trying to turn their lives around,unfortunately because of the messed up economy and before Covid they are unemployed like forty million other Americans.
Currently turning lives around? What’s happened to the last 30-50 years of supposed turning lives around after TRILLIONS spent on inner cities and social programs? The only thing that’s changed is the year and politicians, well some politicians anyway. It’s always some issue or someone’s fault other than those who are actually responsible. Never the corruption or the people’s fault. Victims or victors is the choice people make.
Fair question, J2S
Are the people here-not understanding what’s happening? Of course all lives matter,that’s dumb,if black lives don’t matter, than your all lives matter is,,,,,dumb. This is about police brutality plain and simple because of the color of ones skin. Come on Dan? Let’s get real here,does politics have to enter into everything here? Maybe you can go with their are a few bad apples out there? To categorically say the mans past deserves torture is outright insanity on here.
We said none of what you say we said. Zero. You’re cherry picking.
Why does everything have to be about race? There is zero evidence this happened because of skin color.
Agreed. Misbehavior by law enforcement is a major problem because of the amount of power cops and prosecutors wield. But the racial aspect of all this, which has been accepted without question, is really troubling. It is not borne out by the data. Here are the numbers for the U.S. in 2018:
-44 million black population and 250 million white population
-209 blacks were killed by police, 399 whites
-132k black violent crimes, 237k white violent crimes
-4,778 black murders, 3,953 white murders
Strictly as a relative proportion of the population, blacks are 2.5x more likely to be killed by police (not the 6x or 8x cited by luminaries like Pres. Obama, which is part of the problem – false info). But that ignores criminality. (Cont’d)
As a percentage of population committing violent crimes blacks are way less likely to be killed.
I have two other posts about this that are awaiting moderation. I would not say “way less”, but it is true that as a function of violent crime, whites were 20% more likely to be killed in 2018. I am NOT citing these numbers for racial scorekeeping, which will hopefully be clear if/when my other posts appear.
Presumably, the vast majority of police killings occur during the commission of violent crimes. Once we factor in violent crime data, it turns out that in 2018 (latest data year available) whites were 20% more likely than blacks to be killed by police as a function of violent crimes. If you look only at murders, whites are 130% more likely to be killed by police as a function of white murders.
It is sad that racial “scorekeeping” like this is necessary. There is no denying that the historical black experience with law enforcement in this country has been horrific. Acknowledging and atoning for the past is necessary. But propagating a false narrative about the present is not the way to go about it. An individual case like that of Mr. Floyd is just that, an individual case. It stirs up strong emotions, but it is specious to use it as a barometer for all of law enforcement and the country.
Given the prevalence of video recording in our culture these days, we are going to occasionally see awful cases like George Floyd’s again in the future. In a country of 330 million, it is unrealistic to expect otherwise. If every individual case is successfully positioned as a reflection of the “system” and all cops and used as a pretext for mayhem, we may as well give up now. (Cont’d)
(last) The main “structural” problems concerning police brutality and corruption are the doctrines of qualified immunity for cops and absolute immunity for prosecutors. Absolute immunity for prosecutors is going to be difficult to unravel in the courts, which is why it is essential that citizens get involved in local DA elections. It is the only real way to hold prosecutors accountable for misconduct.
But qualified immunity is rightfully being scrutinized. The Supreme Court recently agreed to hear the case of James King, a student who was beaten by law enforcement in a case of mistaken identity, then charged with 3 felonies for fighting back (he thought he was being mugged). It is a fascinating case and might lead to real change. Here’s an overview for those interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae144gGrfjQ
Two of the worst police misconduct videos I have ever seen concern Mr. Floyd and a guy from Arizona named Daniel Shaver. One black, one white. We will see what happens to Mr. Floyd’s killer. Mr. Shaver’s executioner was acquitted of all charges, then granted a lifetime pension (at 28 years old) of $30k per year on account of the mental distress caused by killing Mr. Shaver.
Cases like these demand justice. Maybe the King case will be a first step in positive change for all parties. Except for the bad cops and abusive prosecutors who are out there.
Blare, I am glad you are schooling yourself in the truth. Read The War on Cops by Heather MacDonald in you want some more truth.
Nice misdirection. From answering the black on black crime against one another and back to police brutality. You can’t ignore one for the other to have an honest conversation about what do we as country do to help stop the killings.
27 deaths by gunfire this past weekend in Chitown. 85 shootings. Most of it black-on-black. Sad to say, but it’s true. At some point, these many years after the Emancipation Proclamation, people of color need to take some responsibility for their lack of progress. Not all. Maybe not even most. But some, surely. That is how they “get ahead.” But I want to know: What is “getting ahead” mean to them? To all of us?
I had already come up with this, but Limbaugh on fire today on it:
Liberalism has failed for the last 60 years–so blame in on whitey racism.
Charles Murray in his book “Losing Ground” (1985 or so) showed that by almost every measure (economic, educational, etc.) life for blacks was gradually getting better after World War II into the early 1960s.
Then came . . . THE GREAT SOCIETY.
How’d that work out?
Yeah, the Left will fix it.
The DC mayor Bowser just kicked out the national guard from DC hotels. Hope she gets run over by an army tank!
Trump may be able to make that happen for you. Shoot him an email.
She/Bowser should be trapped in a burning building, while “protesters” block the FDP to come to rescue.
Just like the “protestors”, a.k.a. Anitifa/looters/arsonists have/done….
Think about that Johnny? They/”protestors” did that to a home with children inside, then tried to block off FDP from helping, by lying down in the streets.
FDP should have put the petal to the metal, OVER the “protestors”/looters, and be absolved of any crime.
Then take a fire hose, and wash them into the sewer, where they belong.
Why don’t you give me his cell and I’ll text him?
I know it is an old story and nobody cares to hear about it anymore. BUT, Covid virus infections are at an all time high. If you have stock in mortuaries or body bags your financial standing is about to go way up.
What matters is the infection rate, and it has dropped precipitously. Stop spreading false information. I personally tested negative for COVID antibodies, but I know 5 people who tested positive and were never sick. The fear mongering needs to end.
I am talking nationally and worldwide. Don’t rely on only local news or you might miss something important.
Again, it is the infection rate that matters, not the number of infections. Of course the absolute number of infections is going to rise, because the number of tests continues to increase. But the proportion of positive tests is also falling. Example: Early on in New Jersey, a huge % of tests were coming back positive – over 50% on some days. That number has now dropped to about 3% of tests coming back positive.
More importantly, it is looking like asymptomatic COVID carriers are NOT spreading the virus, as perviously thought. The vast majority of infections can be traced to “super-spreaders,” which means that viral load likely plays an important role in the process of becoming infected. This gives us FAR greater flexibility in terms of keeping COVID under control.
All of the news about COVID recently has been positive. You are mistaken, JA.
Well not ALL positive as about 1000 people a day are still dying in the USA. Their loved ones would argue your use of the words “all positive.”
WTF?
“?Local news?”
THE Left Winged Parrot run by RutBurg?
ROFL!!!!
Go to R. Madcow. Her defense for libel is, “she’s not real news, a parody and farce’
Yup Johnny, Madcow is fake news, as determined by courts, AND USED IN HER DEFENSE!!!!
Otherwise, she/it/thing would be prosecuted!!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/world/coronavirus-cases-rising-faster-intl/index.html
CNN is going to try to milk this all the way through election day, we know that. Now that the U.S. has things largely under control, they will shift theirl focus elsewhere – like South America, Latin America and the Caribbean, as they did in this article. Don’t be fooled.
But they are not CNN stats are they? They did not generate the numbers?
Well who did, Johnny? DNC? Antifa?
ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, et al have been proven to be biased and false liars.
Who “owns” the above? Thinks about that?
That’s all I”ll say
Nice link Johnny.
I’m going to “Oceania”! Aka sex slave island ; )
Epstien’s and Willie Clintons favorite retreat, the H-Beast too! Maybe Huma will be there also? With little Tony Wiener?
Plenty of perverts, sex slaves, and democrats!!!!
Epstein yah. Good friend of Donald Trump. Did you see the pictures of them hanging out at Largo? Some people think he is still alive and well having had plastic surgery. He sure has the connections and money to do it.
I saw pictures of Slick Willie , and his H-Beast! She is one fugly woman. On “sex slave island”.
I don’t believe little “cheesy” has Willie DNA, in her, mama is too fugly for Willie
Eptsien is alive and well,poking little girls , like before……
Problem with LE? Yup! NOT a black/negro problem, it’s universal!!! Most are good LE officers, many others are criminals wearing a badge. The latter need prison. Longer the good LE tolerate the bad LE, the worse it will get
How many new CV-19 infections due to “protests”, and riots/looters?
Social distancing/masks there? Ask Tyer at Park Square, and Govs Baker/Cuomo.
Cuomo already has killed off most elderly nursing home patients… what did Baker do for Holyoke Soliders Home? Those two Asshats are letting rioters/looters go though……
D- city A@#holes already looted all the pharmacys to steal drugs and burnt everything else. I hope we don’t bail them out, let them rot in their own filth they created.
D- Politicians should just enroll as Socialist/Communist, to be wholey “transparent and honest’.
If there is a new spike in Covid-19 cases, blame goes on D-Rat politicians. Who in thier right mind is going to treat them now, in these D-Rat cesspools of : violence, riots, looting, mayhem, plunder, pillage…….
Even Johnny Melle’s, “lovely Linda” and her gathering at the park square!
Can’t get a hair cut, go to work, or a dinner, but 1000’s of thugs/looters congregating is fine!!!!
Why didn’t Gove Baker issue a decree, saying: “Due to Covid-19, only 25 looters per store”
Andrea Harrington just announced that looters and shoplifters will now be known as undocumented shoppers
How many looters /robbers/rapists/thugs/ addicts……..per store/home?
Is Andrea/D-Rats exempt? Like herself/Tyer/T-Bivot at Park Square?
For ALL Berkshire D-Rats… what is up with “The Homeless Hilton” behind Guidos? Do you approve? Help make? Or in D-oblivion?
I asked as, I heard, they were having a “spin the injection needle” party and wanted to be “inclusive”. Will they attend?
You seem more pent up than usual tonight MT. Get it out of your system but stay home and away from other people till ya calm down OK?
Been home since vice Emperor Baker’s decree, You?
I’ve been keeping varmints out of the garden with a trusty .177 rifle.
Like Your Uncle Joe Biden , I have a 12ga handy for Antifa pests
Don’t use OO buck on Antifa. Then they just make a mess, inside your clean home.
#6 is better, then they get a photo op as they bleed out to roadside
With your oratory capabilities you might be able to talk them to death and have no mess at all.
With your oratory abilities, you’d be a gay porn star!!!
That’s a good one right there.
Well done, sir!
From now on I’ll refer to riots as “minority group activities designed to murder, maim, and destroy stuff”.
A convicted felon dies as a result of the commission of another felony, and his resisting arrest. He is black and although race has nothing to do with it, the black lies matter folk go burning, looting, rioting, etc. but a group of black rioters shoot and kill a retired black police captain, stream his death on Facebook, and black lives matter folk don’t say anything.
“The corrupt corporate media in this country deliberately incited a mass panic to shut down the economy in the hope that it would hurt Trump politically. Their endorsement of violent mass riots proves they never cared about public health or “stopping the spread.”
-Sean Davis
Since crazy uncle Joe says 10-15 percent of Americans are not good people, since blacks commit 8 times the crime as whites, what percentage of black people does he think are not good people?
You keep saying blacks commit 8x more crimes than whites. Where did you get this? It’s completely false.
FBI uniform crime report.
Thank you Acute. It is totally true Blair.
Not true. In the U.S. in 2018, blacks comitted a total of 2.2 million crimes, whites 5.6 million. Given their population sizes, that translates to blacks committing 2.2x more crimes per capita.
Violent crimes were 146k for blacks, 230k for whites, which is 3.6x more black violent crime per capita.
Murders were 4,778 for blacks, 3,953 for whites, which is 6.8x more black murders per capita.
Yes, more black crime per capita than white crime, but not 8x more by any measure. The most lopsided crime sub-category is murder and even that doesn’t reach 8x.
I think accuracy matters when it comes to these things.
Drew Bees was nuts to apologize for respecting the flag, and if the majority of players take a knee this autumn, I am done with football
Now Roger Goodell is on the Black Lives Matter bandwagon with Brees, who issued a third statement after Trump called him out for pandering to the fake cause, and backtracking on standing up for the flag.
Hers the sad thing – NFL, Target, Amazon, Greylock et al, are now pandering to blacks not because of Floyd’s death and not because of the protests, in blatant violation of social distancing emergency orders that resulted in arrests and charges for otherwise law abiding citizens trying to let kids play in parks or run businesses, they are instead pandering because blacks burned and looted and killed innocents in their cities. This is like rewarding little Johnny,s latest temper tantrum with another freezer pop.
Yup, should have stood by his first statement . I am a believer in ,” out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks “. Now he has had to release a 3rd. statement and I’m sure a check book that he has opened on his own many times to help those in need,will now be forced opened to make a few donations for the cause. It will never be enough now until the well is dry.
Johnny get your guns and ammo before they are gone because when the Thin Blue Line collapses, thanks to defunding the police, you’re on your own.
Blacks already commit most of the murders in America and are only 13 percent of population. Defund the police and they will commit more. Look what is happening with the riots when police stand down. Innocents die. By the way, it’s innocent blacks that will be victimized the most. The leading cause of death in America for yound black males is homicide – cimmitted by other black males.
Looks like a one sided agreement. Whites are going to do better on all fronts but have not heard that anyone else is bending at all. Anyone who looks sideways at the wrong person is being called out on it so as Elmer Fudd used to say, “Be very careful”.
So Dan, since you concede that Floyd’s background and actions didn’t warrant his untimely death with a foot to the neck long after he stopped breathing, what exactly was the purpose of the reporting? So that deep down people could say “see, he deserved it”? Is that how you feel deep down? Clearly that’s the sentiment of many of your loyal followers judging from their posts. I’m just not seeing the point of your reporting. I get the guy wasn’t a saint, but I just don’t get why it’s relevant to this situation.
JD
First, it’s not a concession to say his actions did not deserve an 8-minute knee hold, especially after he expressed distress. Second, what people think or feel “deep down” is of no concern here since that is beyond the scope of any writer. People will react and interpret as they see fit, as you have done. That is your job as a reader. Third, the purpose is to present a more accurate picture of this man. The fashionable portraits were of the same kind of canonizing usually done in a situation like this. It’s relevant because he had just been caught passing counterfeit money. He was in a car with a dude with outstanding arrest warrants. He was a convicted felon. He resisted arrest. These are mitigating factors in the ensuing events. The only “deep down” I can express is my own: No, I do not feel that “he deserved it.” That’s probably what some people want to THINK I believe, but as I’ve expressed several times publicly in condemning the actions of the responding officers, he did not “deserve” it.
Dan,
You say “It’s relevant because he had just been caught passing counterfeit money. He was in a car with a dude with outstanding arrest warrants. He was a convicted felon. He resisted arrest. These are mitigating factors in the ensuing events”. The definition of mitigate is “lessen the gravity of a mistake or offense”. I don’t believe his history or actions, lessen the fact that he was killed, which was the primary ensuing event. Yes, he brought the arrest upon himself, but he did not bring his death upon himself. If he was resisting arrest and fighting with officers and had a heart attack and died, one could say he brought it on himself. But when a 200 pound guy purposely keeps his knee on the neck of a guy for three minutes without a pulse, there is no mitigation. The really disturbing things are that 1.) the cop had no problem doing it,acting with impunity with people watching, and 2.) if there weren’t people watching and recording, then Floyd would have just been listed as a guy who had a coronary while resisting arrest and that would have been that. Which begs the question, “how often do similar events happen?”.
Lastly, listing his background as a mitigating factor is similar to how sleazy defense attorneys try to bring up a rape victim’s sexual history as if they somehow deserved it. Even if someone is a nymphomaniac that doesn’t meat they can be raped without consequence and even if someone is a complete scumbag, that doesn’t mean they can be executed by a cop in broad daylight. Nothing mitigating about that.
MR. DOE
“Yes, he brought the arrest upon himself, but he did not bring his death upon himself.” We agree 100% here. As for mitigation, like many words, there are multiple definitions and shadings. We disagree there. I have condemned officer Chauvin’s actions, explicitly. If Floyd doesn’t try to pass hot money, though, none of this happens. He didn’t deserve to die for it. Underlying health issues and the hard drugs in his system notwithstanding, the knee-on-neck surely had to be the chief factor in the tragedy. As for similar events happening, look up the case of Tony Timpa, a youth who died from a similar knee-hold. You haven’t heard peep about it. Tampa was white.
Dan,
Thanks for the tip. I did look up the story and it’s another horrible example of abuse of authority by police. When I googled it, it appeared that every major news outlet in America covered the story at the time. As for why it didn’t gain the traction of Floyd’s death, I would guess that the black community has more pent up frustration with abuse of authority by police than the white community. But thanks for reinforcing my point that God only knows how many deaths are covered up when there are no cameras rolling.
You’re welcome, JD. I agree that before cameras, that often unwelcome ally of the National Security State, this stuff happened much more frequently. Glad to have a good exchange of views!
Here is some more truth for you Blare, and all others willing to seek out the truth and race and policing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883
D-Day 76. Nice little Twitter feed here with good pics/maps:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/DDay2020?src=hashtag_click
I’m outta here. Censorship- is it because I am black ?
Leftees never come here…. and if they stop by, they leave quickly….
The SUNLIGHT IS TOO BRIGHT!
More like an eclipse – clearly I am unwelcome here.
The gentleman in Buffalo clearly confronted the officer and had something in his hand? The officer nudged him forward. The officers were marching forward,what was the officer supposed to do stop? There won’t be anyone doing police work if they have to baby handle citizens. Media and law officials and politicians are wrong on this one.
I am not ‘left’ at all. I’m all right. Well, 33°. Corruption is the boot tread on the neck of the vinegar. Look at that cop’s personnel records, he probably stood on plenty of White trachea but nobody cared.
Plenty of lefties in here. Whatyoutalkinboutwillis?
Change, Sorry I put it in the replay to. I just realized after I saw your reply. No offense.
There is good and bad all races colors and creeds.
I don’t care if you are green, as long as a good person.
You say that but trash all democrats without even having met them. Me thinks you speak with forked tongues
A good man’s take the democrats and good and evil.
Give it a read Johnny.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now
Archbishop Viganò’s powerful letter to President Trump: Eternal struggle between good and evil playing out right nowArchbishop Carlo Maria Viganò warns the president that the current crises over the coronavirus pandemic and the George Floyd riots are a part of the eternal spiritual struggle between the forces of good and evil.
More Antifa fun!!!
I don’t think The Planet, let the previous post/link through.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/project-veritas-releases-part-2-exposeantifa-nyc-antifa-members-train-violence-get-good-liver-kidney-shot-pretty-much-crippling-video/
Project Veritas Releases Part 2 of #ExposeAntifa: NYC Antifa Members Train For Violence: “If You Get a Good Liver or Kidney Shot, It’s Pretty Much Crippling Them” (VIDEO)
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/breaking-new-york-antifa-members-train-for-violence-so-if-that-doesnt-knock/
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/antifa-practice-things-like-an-eye-gouge-it-takes-very-little-pressure-to/
Dan, that is the best article I’ve read in the media since this whole thing started. I can remember when the media use to simplify report the news and left the commentary to those who wrote such things and commentary was not disguised as news. Furthermore, the media reported what was going on not what to think about it because they were fully aware we all had a brain.
This is the same problem we have in our colleges these days. They are teaching what to think not how to think.
Thanks Paul. Well put.
We’ll have to record this as a thought crime.
The problem is being born white
https://www.amazon.com/Whiteness-Original-Sin-Jim-Goad/dp/1729700411/ref=pd_lutyp_crtyp_simh_1_1/130-6580289-8961535?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1729700411&pd_rd_r=f9346350-fa27-40ed-862c-668d8c3e0a27&pd_rd_w=h4EeE&pd_rd_wg=Cmyuw&pf_rd_p=11bf186d-590b-449a-8161-5414a5d28305&pf_rd_r=01Y1EXCD5WFC1FW3VRWH&psc=1&refRID=01Y1EXCD5WFC1FW3VRWH
https://www.amazon.com/White-Girl-Bleed-Lot-Violence-ebook/dp/B01E4W5OBY/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1591465499&sr=1-1
Dan, I lost it, I’ll come back later.
This guy understands what’s going on…
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now
I am very proud right now of my fellow homo sapiens, fellow citizens, and our younger generation stepping up to make things right.
https://www.greylock.org/content/docs/GFCU_Annual-Report-2019.pdf
Angelo is a homo sapien
Dan,
I’m afraid the bullet points don’t matter one iota – they are irrelevant. Floyd is being canonized and eulogized because he is dead…because he was murdered. None of the bullet points are relevant in the context of that fact.
JERRY
He was caught passing a fake $20. Only time it happened? He was running with a dude with outstanding arrest warrants back in Texas, from which they fled. He resisted arrest. If he wasn’t a law-breaker, he’s still around passing fake money. How many times have you done that stuff. The bullet points are relevant ex-post-facto, since they confirm he was a bad actor. He was “turning his life around.” That’s code for, “Be on the ready. You got a bad one here.” Now, he didn’t deserve to die. He didn’t deserve the neck-thing for eight minutes. On that much we agree. Also, look up the case of Tony Tampa. It’s relevant.
Irrelevant.
Relevant, brudda. His “troubling” started the whole mess.
Support your local mob, learn the hard way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmPlWpoCM8c
Clearly shows that this is about violence and looting. They don’t care which side you are on.
Gun Fight O.K. Coral 2020
Worth a look at along with some other articals.
https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/
They want to return us to the Wild West with their crazy ideas of no police and release all prisoners. I agree with Mark Levin that all of these so-called important people like politicians shouldn’t have protection either if they propose taking it away from others. I think my family and friends are important as I’m sure every person does about their own family and friends, so why should only certain groups be protected? No police then all people will need to be fully armed just like in the Wild West in order to protect themselves. Gun ownership would be absolutely essential for everyone with no police and no prisons since murderers, rapists, arsonists, and looters would be running wild.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/mark-levin-has-dramatic-suggestion-for-systemic-racism-and-politicians-will-hate-it?utm_source=theblaze-dailyAM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__AM%202020-06-07&utm_term=TheBlaze%20Daily%20AM%20-%20last%20270%20days
https://www.theblaze.com/news/mark-levin-has-dramatic-suggestion-for-systemic-racism-and-politicians-will-hate-it?utm_source=theblaze-dailyAM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__AM%202020-06-07&utm_term=TheBlaze%20Daily%20AM%20-%20last%20270%20days
Floyd was not convicted of passing counterfeit $20. Essentially innocent. He wasn’t even charged. Where did the fake money come from? The answer to that question is probably alarming. Someone potentially scammed Floyd.
That’s quite possible, maybe he was set up. The deep state has no scruples, it took out JFK back in 1963 and is on an all out mission to take down the current president, no matter what the casualties are.
Trump Bannon Miller Barr….Backed by media giant Fox brainwash.You got yourself the bigest group of liars ever put together.I wonder what they want?
tin foil hat time
Cuomo’s donors are the reason he quietly signed legislation shielding hospital and nursing home executives from any lawsuits stemming from the covid outbreak.
As you recall, Cuomo directed NY nursing homes to take in residents with covid.
He has blood on his hands.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/breaking-exclusive-ny-governor-cuomos-largest-donor-involved-elderly-care-shielded-covid-19-lawsuits-april-cuomo/
It’s about tearing down the country and seizing power…..
https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05/abolish-the-police-is-a-slogan-for-the-destruction-of-america/
We need the City Council way less than a police force,we need police. You have a finance director and mayor,why not just switch the Mayors role for now to town manager and have kuffkinks manage the accounts? Cut city council, save on pay,insurance,they are useless anyway.
Got a new name for the city clowncilmeetings Hollywood STAMPS
Women will be the first victims of reduced or no policing. Anyone helpless…people living alone, the elderly. Ilan Omar being behind it goes right along with her own daughter giving out information about the location of the national guard to people who were not just protesting. People having to put signs in their windows so their businesses aren’t burned down? Many were burned and/or looted anyway. This sounds just like Nazi Germany.
Another one of your posters makes a great point – just because Floyd presented a fake $20 (allegedly) it does not mean he was deliberately trying to pass off fake money. Counterfeits are often very believable, that’s why they have the marking pen at the cashier. The other day I had a $100 that I THOUGHT was fake, it looked very odd for some reason, and felt different from other cash as well. The only way to know was to have a cashier mark it for me.
Bringing up Floyd’s past is stupid. Because one, it has no bearing on the events of the day. And two, if these details about his life WERE known to law enforcement, it begs an argument that they felt justified in the unnecessary force and the intention was pre-meditated.
You cannot take another human’s life. You cannot kill them. You just can’t. It’s really that simple.
I agree. It’s wrong to take another human’s life. I wish the media would give the same amount of attention to David Dorn, a black retired 77 year old police office who was killed during the protest by 6 young men all over a television set. Actually, good news on this. I just heard there has been an arrest in this case.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/charges-filed-in-murder-of-retired-st-louis-police-captain-david-dorn-during-protests/article_3e95441e-4126-520b-9c41-fbbcbf889e6c.html