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PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE ‘No. 1:’ WHO WON? WHY? AND WHO STEPPED IN ‘No. 2?’

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BY DAN VALENTI

PLANET VALENTI NEWS AND COMMENTARY

(FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE, WEDNESDAY SEPT. 30, 2020) — The best part of last night’s first presidential debate wasn’t even there.

THE PLANET refers the silent, socially-distanced, audience.

Who won last night?

The audience.

The spectators at the Cleveland Clinic at Case Western University remained quiet, a remarkable achievement no meant no cheering sections or hit squads. How refreshing not to see those dunderheads spoil another of these silly events. Instead, they left that up to the two contestants to gum it up. Poor Chris Wallace.

The funniest part of last night’s slugfest also wasn’t there for the debate itself. It was how the two teams sent their flacks into the horde of media afterward to say why their guy won. Trump’s team said the president took Biden to the low post and did a Spud Webb on him. Biden’s people said Joe pulled a Bill Russell, blocked the shot, and took it to the hoop the other way.

The truth could not be found in the middle but on the extreme right and left. It wasn’t truth of any moral of ethical kind but political “truth,” which always puts the word in quotes. True that both sides ignored reality. True that each tried to paint an abstract on a canvas improperly prepared. True that while such debates usually don’t decide much, we are in unchartered waters with no map or navigational equipment.

How important was the debate? Time will tell. It drew a huge TV audience, and it will likely be the biggest joint exposure the candidates get. It will be interesting to check the polls later this week, not that THE PLANET puts much credence in such exercises of prophetic self-fulfillment. That said, a poll of polls shows Trump gaining, reducing Biden’s lead from double digits earlier this summer to mid-singles. Our guess is that the race is even, especially given that Trump’s “secret voters” are drastically underrepresented in any polling.

People talk about “the women’s vote,” “the black vote,” “the this-and-that vote,” but the subgroup that will likely determine the election will be the President’s supporters who will keep quiet and uncounted until Election Day. In battleground states, Trump supporters tend to lay low because of intimidation tactics from the far left. Ironically, such bag jobs tend to backfire, which is why the Democrats are so worried about the behavior of extremists in major cities, those committing domestic terror and calling it “protest.” This could be a huge (+) issue for the President and drive voters to buy his “Law and Order” pledge.

Funniest moment for THE PLANET? When Trump pounced on Biden’s annoying habit of “That’s No. 1. No. 2 …” by saying “No, Joe. You’re No. 2.” Reminds us of the Rodney Dangerfield advice: “Always look out for No. 1, but while you’re doing it don’t step in No. 2.”

Here in the Bay State, the election doesn’t matter. It is Biden all the way. Elsewhere, the red and blues are readily identified. The swings states will likely be Arizona, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

That’s where we’ll likely see the most campaigning ever the final five weeks.

THE PLANET welcomes your thoughts on last night’s debate: Who won?

Why?

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“It is obvious that we’re all going to die, but there is something inside us that does not believe it”Carl Jung.

“OPEN THE WINDOW, AUNT MILLIE.”

LOVE TO ALL.

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Theemoskayottic
Theemoskayottic
1 month ago

All election winners must take OHIO.

Pat
Pat
1 month ago

President Trump won. Biden took the debate very low early on by name calling. Biden called President Trump a “clown” and a “racist” with no shout down from Wallace to keep it civil. Was that intentional to get President Trump mad at Joe right away? I think Wallace wanted a mud fight too because despite his pretend confusion over what was happening, he did little to take control. I wanted to know about Biden’s Green New Deal position, but learned nothing about it accept a confused answer that he had his own version of the Green New Deal? What it was was never followed up by Chris Wallace and seemed like just a dodge of the question by Biden. So just more confusion. More proof that the Democrats didn’t want to give any specifics on their plans and didn’t have to by making it a shouting match. Wallace had an odd way of asking questions like the mail-in ballot issue where he asks Biden to address problems with it, but then adds that is it possible that the Supreme Court nominee was being chosen to address any confusion on election day. So naturally Biden ignored the first part of the question and just attacked the Supreme Court nominee decision by President Trump and Wallace just let him.

The school committee
The school committee
1 month ago

Biden hands down.The other 2 can be canceled and get ready for a violent Trump to call out his fringe

Acute Angina
Acute Angina
Reply to  The school committee
1 month ago

You must have been occupied with your blow up doll.

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  Acute Angina
1 month ago

Ah, the calling. Too ignorant to make a comment of your own.The little guy.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  Thomas More
1 month ago

“Too ignorant to make a comment of your own.” Where are your debate comments, More? All you do is throw your negativity at others.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Acute Angina
1 month ago

How interested in blowup dolls are you?

Acute Angina
Acute Angina
Reply to  The school committee
1 month ago

You brought them up the other day

Jonathan Melle
Jonathan Melle
1 month ago

Biden = 47 years as a career politician who has accomplished nothing whatsoever, and his solution is to grow the already excessively large bureaucratic federal government at the expense of the shrinking middle class in post industrial America.
Trump = Refuses to make his tax returns public, and did not denounce his horrible statement that the neo Nazi’s and similar white supremacist groups were “very fine people (on both sides)” after the violent hate march in Charlottesville, Virginia that killed a young woman fighting evil for Human and Civil Rights.
Dan Valenti, I believe that neither candidate won the first 2020 presidential debate.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  Jonathan Melle
1 month ago

Marxist Melle,
You need to turn off CNN. CNN falsely claimed that Trump refuses to to call out white supremacists. He did. When asked by Wallace to condemn them, falsely implying that he had not done so previously, Trump said “sure.” When Wallace asked if Trump would ask white supremacists & paramilitary groups to stand down Trump said “I’m willing to do that.”
You’ve been brainwashed by CNN and your antifa group.

jon doe
jon doe
1 month ago

To quote an observation I heard made; “It wasn’t so much that Biden won as much as Trump lost”. Biden was okay, nothing overly memorable one way or another. The bar was set low and he had no problems. Trump on the hand was a mess. No restraint and lacked control. Nothing “Presidential” about that performance. God, I miss the old days when people would actually let someone answer a question instead of just talking over the other guy. Poor Mike Wallace had no control.

That being said, will it make difference? Doubtful. If Biden blew up I think it could have made a difference. As for Trump, his base is firm and I can’t imagine there are too many people are undecided at this point.

JohnnyTwoCents
JohnnyTwoCents
Reply to  jon doe
1 month ago

You’re right jon. Trump didn’t have the sense to let Biden get his mumbled and jumbled points across without interruption. Had he done so, Biden would have stumbled and fumbled much more than he did in the debate.

jon doe
jon doe
Reply to  JohnnyTwoCents
1 month ago

I would actually agree with that. From a strategic standpoint, Trump should have let Biden speak uninterrupted as much as possible to give Biden the opportunity to put his foot in his mouth, But instead, trying to tell what either of them were saying was almost impossible. Trump’s strategy was to keep interrupting to throw Biden of his game but it didn’t work and only made Trump look bad.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
1 month ago

A pissing contest, with the real loser being the moderator, Chris Wallace.

Wallace allowed the debate to degenerate into chaos with at times, 3 people shouting over each other. The moderator also entered into the debate rather than just moderating.

I was not impressed with either candidate.

Johnny Absurdo
Johnny Absurdo
Reply to  Mad Trapper
1 month ago

You are blaming Wallace? What was he supposed to do? He is not allowed by the rules to put Gorilla tape over Trumps mouth and that is about the only thing that might have shut him up for a minute.
Trump did as I knew he would. He dodged the actual questions, continually tried to change the topic and continuously talked over his opponent.
As one host described it it was your ususal run of the mill Trump shitshow and nobody was a bit surprised by that. It is what he does.

Johnny Absurdo
Johnny Absurdo
Reply to  Johnny Absurdo
1 month ago

If there is another debate they need to just shut Trumps mike off when his time is up. That is the only way to have an actual debate as it was designed. Why does he have to crap all over every damn thing he touches?

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Mad Trapper
1 month ago

Joe calling President Trump a clown and a racist early on and never stopped or called out for it, set the tone of the debate early on. I think Chris and Joe wanted the chaos because few specifics were given out by Biden on his agenda. Joe can shout easily, but he can’t speak rationally about his plans for the country. I thought his answers were very confusing.

Johnny Absurdo
Johnny Absurdo
Reply to  Pat
1 month ago

I think rational thought always confuses you Pat.
But Jimmy Jones, I mean Donad Trump, has told you he expects you to be locked and loaded if the election does not go his way. Make sure your family can take care of themselves while you are off fighting his civil war. Walmart has a sale on camo gear this week. Get in soon to avoid what is ure to be a Proud Boy rush.

Horace Hassenfeffer
Horace Hassenfeffer
Reply to  Pat
1 month ago

Good point Pat. Creating and allowing chaos is the benchmark of the democrat party. Denial is their mendacious mission statement. Truth and working toward the good of the country are in absentia with the doomacrat party . And sadly no matter what we say or do we will never convince the left otherwise

JohnnyTwoCents
JohnnyTwoCents
Reply to  Pat
1 month ago

Yes not forget Biden told Trump to “shut up
Man”

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  JohnnyTwoCents
1 month ago

I agree. Was that the coolest thing ever or what? Trump needs to hear that more often. Up till Biden said it Putin was the only other guy with enough balls to say it to his face.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mad Trapper
1 month ago

He begged Trump to compose himself.Trump had no self control.Trump attacked Bidens family.Trump is a low life.

Acute Angina
Acute Angina
Reply to  The school committee
29 days ago

All the Biden’s are sub low lifes

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Mad Trapper
1 month ago

The Obama-Biden administration spied on the 2016 Trump campaign and then instigated a failed coup attempt against the duly elected president before he even took office. Biden had no reply to the indefensible. I think President Trump has a lot of pent up anger toward Biden and who can blame him and last night he released some of that anger. Talking calmly and politely to a man who was trying to tear you down behind the scenes would be very difficult for anyone in my opinion.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
1 month ago

Uh, didja see the part where Trump attacked Bidens family? And didja see Biden not lose control of himself when you know he woud have liked to kick ass right on the stage? So yah some people can remain cool and calm in tough situation. Others, not so much.

Spagirlfrommass
Spagirlfrommass
1 month ago

That was appalling! America is in a new low. Disgraceful!!

JohnnyTwoCents
JohnnyTwoCents
Reply to  Spagirlfrommass
1 month ago

Yes a
Utterly appalling for a candidate to tell the duly elected President of The United States to shut up.

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  JohnnyTwoCents
1 month ago

Agree -he should have just let trump talk over him. after all he is the duly elected president and should be allowed to shout someone down whenever he wants. duly elected

jon doe
jon doe
Reply to  JohnnyTwoCents
1 month ago

The appalling part is that it needed to be said. Hell, even Trump supporters were probably yelling at their TV’s begging him to shut up.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

Debate was great entertainment!
Wallace, a never-Trumper, let his bias show full force.
Sleepy Joe obviously received the debate questions in advance based on his scripted delivery. Biden looked like he had been embalmed. No energy. Lots of lies.
I thought Trump took Biden out to the woodshed and beat the snot out of him. Loved Trump bringing up Hunter multiple times, blasting him for taking Moscow money which seemed to catch Biden off guard. Trump got Biden to say that he did NOT support the New Green Deal but supports the “Biden” deal, which IS the new green deal!
Can’t wait for the next debate!

Spider
Spider
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

If you have watched Wallace’s weekly TV show, you know how much he dislikes Trump, so no surprise!

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

Trump calls millitay fools and suckers.Bidens boys served in our military.One lost to brain cancer and one almost lost to drug addiction.Then there is Don Jr and Eric.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
29 days ago

Sometimes CNN gets things right, TSC.

Hunter spent a whole month in the Navy Reserve, before dishonorable discharge, for drug abuse.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politics/hunter-biden-discharged-from-navy/index.html

Biden was commissioned as an ensign in May 2013 and assigned as a public affairs officer in a Norfolk, Virginia-based reserve unit. A month later, he tested positive for cocaine, and he was discharged in February, according to the report.

Mad Trapper
Mad Trapper
Reply to  The school committee
29 days ago

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/trump-right-hunter-bidens-first-drug-bust-among-several-incidents-18-just-last-week-linked-russian-human-trafficking-ring/

Hunter Biden’s first arrest may have been when he was 18. Hunter was arrested on Jersey Shore related to drug charges in 1988 and had his record expunged.
Many years later and after several stops into drug treatment facilities Hunter joined his father the Vice President on a trip to China in 2013 where Hunter — inexperienced and out of place — was able to secure a $1.5 billion from China for private equity fund which he was forming at the time.
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A year later in early 2014 Hunter was discharged from the Navy for testing positive for cocaine.
Then in April 2014, just a couple months later, Hunter Biden Hunter joined the Board of Burisma Holdings in the Ukraine. Hunter served on the Board until early 2019. Hunter was paid approximately $50,000 a month in his position.

The largest oil and gas company in the Ukraine hired a chronic drug addict only a few months after the addict was removed from the US Navy for doing cocaine.
In 2016 Hunter Biden returned a rental car with a crack pipe with cocaine residue and a small amount of a white, powdery substance.
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A used crack pipe, credit cards, a Delaware Attorney General badge, US Secret Service business cards, two ID’s belonging to Hunter Biden, son of former VP Joe Biden were found in a Hertz rental car in Arizona.
A lab analysis of the crack pipe revealed it was used to smoke cocaine, not meth, however no fingerprints were found on the pipe.

And surprise, surprise, the County and City Attorney’s offices declined to prosecute Hunter Biden.
Hunter was never charged with a crime in this incident.
In 2018 Hunter fathered a child with a Washington DC stripper while he was dating his dead brother’s wife.

In 2018 the IRS placed a tax lien on Hunter Biden seeking $112,805 in unpaid taxes from 2015.
And according to Page Six, Hunter Biden allegedly spent time at Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club in New York City in 2018. Hunter allegedly ordered pricey booze, was joined by several strippers in a private room while he did drugs and had strippers run to find him a dildo.
Last week Hunter Biden was tied to a human trafficking ring with women who appear to be involved in the sex industry, including non-resident alien women in the US who are citizens of Russia or Ukraine.
You won’t see this information in the media because they are working overtime to prop up senile Joe Biden as president.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

Looks like my debate analysis has been dumped by your bot, Dan.

RN
RN
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

STFU how many times do you have to be told. It gets held. Dan can release it

The school committee
The school committee
1 month ago

Trump should take that drug test and release it.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  The school committee
1 month ago

His behavior suggest he may have been testing his own homemade vaccine. Even Putin was taken back by it and he has a low bar for despot behavior

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
1 month ago

Senate report on Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Ukraine–and the Bidens, especially Joke–is important because it gives the lie to things like the blurb in today’s Eagle on Marie Yovanovitch, US ambassador to Ukraine 2016-2019.

“Yovanovitch was recalled from Kyiv as Giuliani pressed Ukranian officials to investigate BASELESS corruption allegations against former Vice President Joe Biden . . . and his son Hunter.”

From the Senate report:

“More than one year after Kent reported his concerns about Hunter Biden to the vice president’s office, he once again raised the issue this time to his superiors at the State Department.

On Sept. 6, 2016, Kent wrote an email to senior State Department officials, including Deputy Assistant Secretary Bridget Brink and U.S. Ambassador Marie YOVANOVITCH, and offered his contemporaneous view of Hunter Biden’s association with Burisma.

Kent wrote, ‘the presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board was very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an ANTI-CORRUPTION agenda in Ukraine.’

In testimony Kent expanded on this comment:

I meant that people who talk the talk need to walk the walk, and
for the U.S. government, collectively, when we talk about the need
to have high standards of integrity, again, as I’ve said, the presence
of [Hunter Biden] on the board created the perception of a
potential conflict of interest.

So it was the OBAMA admin that was supposedly interested in anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

In fact, there was nothing BUT corruption going on with Joe, Hunter, and very corrupt oligarchs and the very corrupt, and known corrupt, Burisma.

Bidens are very, very corrupt.

And then there’s China . . .

Peter Schweizer needs to follow up to his “Clinton Cash” book with a new one titled “Biden Bucks.” Or maybe be already has:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo3LpGOFIAY

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Edward R. Murrow
1 month ago

I agree and how could President Trump possibly be charming, kind, and polite to a person like Joe Biden. President Trump can be all of those things and also have a great sense of humor, but Joe Biden is not only a political opponent, but he is also one of the people who has been trying to tear down this president since 2016 while Joe’s own past is so shady and the media just hides it. President Trump’s votes are being found in streams and fields and he is just going to act like everything is great? He has every right to rail against what has been going on and what is currently going on with the swamp creatures in Washington.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
1 month ago

If Trump can be charming, kind and polite to Putin he should be able to at least control himself for 90 minutes in front of his whole country. Is that really too much to ask of the president of the United States Pat?

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
1 month ago

It is when confronted by one of the swamp creatures from Washington who has made sure that President Trump’s time in office has been one investigation after another. I wouldn’t be able to be polite to him that’s for sure.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  Pat
1 month ago

But Trump did not just disrespect Biden. He disrespected all Americans, the democratic process and the country as a whole. He even disrepected you Pat but you just refuse to accept it. Just like Jimmy Jones followers refuse to accept what was happening to them.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
1 month ago

If you believe that then you also believe that Biden disrespected me and all Americans by calling Trump a clown and a racist and doing his own yelling. President Trump should just let Biden speak his nonsense even though Biden and Obama have done everything to try to destroy his presidency, but even what Biden did say last night was incoherent and not clear.

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  Johnny Absurd
1 month ago

Who’s in tight with Putin?

Russia’s richest woman, a billionaire, sends Hunter Biden $3.5 mil. No one makes that kind of money in Russian without Putin’s OK. And no one sends that kind of money out of the country without his OK, either.

Smokescreen.

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
1 month ago

Letter from DNI to Senator Graham

Chairman Graham,

SEP 2 9 2020

In response to your request for Intelligence Community (IC) information related to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Crossfire Hurricane Investigation, I have declassified the following:

• In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians’ hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.

• According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”

• On 07 September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials forwarded an investigative referral to FBI Director James Comey and Deputy Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Peter Strzok regarding “U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s approval of a plan concerning U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S. elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private mail server.”

Upshot: Hilary and her minions cooked up the hoax and wasted millions and two years of our time on a total lie to explain why she lost.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Edward R. Murrow
29 days ago

She was well aware of Trump and Putins relationship. We were warned and 11 people from that very investigation were found GUILTY…GUILTY…11 found GUILTY

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

Biden caught on tape calling U.S. troops “ stupid bastards.” This from the guy who wants to be commander-in-chief!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/29/yes-joe-biden-called-u-s-troops-stupid-bastards-heres-the-video/

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

What branch of the service were you in fritz?

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

Pittsfield residents beware. Article on iberkshires about the city dealing with the homeless problem. “Desegregate the city through changes in city zoning.” – the Dems’ plan to destroy the suburbs.

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
1 month ago

Deez damn deezes, Dems and dont’s. dere gonna put dem homeless in every neighborhood. It’s even anoyning da people in Hampden County.

Kermit Frog
Kermit Frog
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

IBerkshires would be toilet paper if it were printed but how terrifying the current COP administration is going to further tank the lives of working people with this stupidity, whatever it actually is.
If there is no stability in land transactions because they keep messing with zoning they will end up driving more middle class out. I don’t even know what the ‘desegregate’ means in practice but it sounds like BS for letting some special interest do something they otherwise shouldn’t be doing.
Re the debates – depressing.

Last edited 29 days ago by Kermit Frog
Merguez
Merguez
1 month ago

We are losing as a country. Total dumpster fire. Anyone who thinks that Trump deserves to be the leader of what once was the greatest democracy on Earth should make an appointment with a therapist, stat! Trump’s encouragement to the vile Proud Boys says it all.

Johnny99
Johnny99
Reply to  Merguez
1 month ago

And anyone who thinks Biden is the answer is an idiot

Sargent Saimes
Sargent Saimes
Reply to  Johnny99
1 month ago

I don’t like leaders who have had tragedy in their lives. It’s always a recipe for doom and gloom going forward,a type of reliving through others. Vote Trump people,he will rekindle the economy and set us strait Again. He wasn’t the one who created this pandemic. He needs to get Mitch to get more stimulus though and work on HealthCare and well be fine.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  Johnny99
1 month ago

Absolutely not an idiot. Biden is the only choice. Trump will create civil war. Mark my words.

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  Merguez
1 month ago

Marking them now.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  Edward R. Murrow
1 month ago

Good

Tom Betit
Tom Betit
1 month ago

Lol
Slow joe 10/8 takes round 1
In the Brawl for it all
Trump suckered by the bait n wait
Leaving an opening by Joe’s using boy as bait. Trump off balance by faint.
Suffered unanswered blows, attacking bo after chasing hunter lure.

Howard Cosell portrayed by Chris Wallace, assisted slow joe much like ali v Frazier
Smokin joe went for early knockout.

Round goes to corner, for excellent strategy & preparation.
Using opponents pride against him.

It’s not over, trump has good chin
Recovers well.
Needs good performance in rd 2, if he gets too far behind, the deficit will force him to take dangerous chances.
Chasing 1 punch knockout.
corner needs ,to focus thier fighter
If thier able.

Merry & Bright
Merry & Bright
1 month ago

After watching this debacle last night, wish us American’s had a choice of “None of the Above” and both parties would be forced to start over and enlist new candidates that had the USA in their best interest not playground antics. They BOTH acted liked juvenile boys thinking with the wrong head, if you know what I mean, their bullying evidently made them feel like men. Feel sick for our country this morning. We must be the laughing stocks of the world. Congrats Donald and Joe you both succeeded with making yourselves and America look like fools. In future debates they also need to enlist unbiased moderators. Wallace was not much better than the two juvenile boys.

Statt Stiticion
Statt Stiticion
Reply to  Merry & Bright
1 month ago

Trump mopped the floor with him.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Statt Stiticion
29 days ago

Trump racist hate everything about America but love Don Trump…many men think hes COOL

J2S
J2S
1 month ago

I’m wondering did the first debate change anyone’s mind on who will get their vote? Or are their voters just going to stay put? I think there maybe a few undecided voters out there, but not many who haven’t already made up their minds. Independent voters are where it will swing the election one way or another.

Wilfred Benítez
Wilfred Benítez
1 month ago

Trump did great according to Telemundo. If Trump gets anywhere near what the polls are showing from the black and brown vote he wins.

J2S
J2S
Reply to  danvalenti
1 month ago

I remember watching that fight between Sugar Ray and Wilfred. What a battle. Both were tacticians inside the ring.

Johnny Absurd
Johnny Absurd
Reply to  danvalenti
1 month ago

they also had Hillary winning

J2S
J2S
1 month ago

Isn’t it ironic that some politicians are up for term limits for justices on the Supreme Court, but no term limits for themselves?

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  J2S
29 days ago

There are term limits. They’re called elections.

J2S
J2S
Reply to  Thomas More
29 days ago

You are right about that , but unfortunately some are elected over and over again with just name recognition, money and so on. No matter your right! The voters are responsible.

J2S
J2S
1 month ago

Mills Lane was needed instead of Wallace in the match last night. Wallace lost control early on and never got it back.

Johnny Dimentia
Johnny Dimentia
Reply to  J2S
1 month ago

How do you believe he should have handled it J2S? What can a moderator do to the president of the United States to make him behave like an adult instead of a petulant child? All he can do is ask him politely right? And he did that over and over to no avail. Normaly the petualnt child can be made to stand in a corner or his mommy could be called in but Wallace did not have those options did he?
How do you think Wallace should have handled it?

J2S
J2S
Reply to  Johnny Dimentia
29 days ago

Wallace started full throttle with the gotcha questions instead of relaxing the candidate’s into the mode of the debate. Then start to get into the meat and potatoes. That’s what I think. Chris was also looking to be important far after the debates. I wasn’t impressed by the candidates conduct. I’m not saying it was an easy task.

Free Bird
Free Bird
1 month ago

I don’t think the debate will change anyone’s mind on either side. If Biden were to make a major gaffe maybe some of those folks would stay home. A better strategy for Trump would be to let Biden speak and maybe that would happen. I learned nothing of any substance regarding Biden’s policies on anything.

Johnny Dimentia
Johnny Dimentia
Reply to  Free Bird
1 month ago

cuz he was not allowed to answer any questions without the orange man blathering over him? Is that why none of us were able to learn anything?

Tiney Thin
Tiney Thin
Reply to  Johnny Dimentia
1 month ago

Trump won the debate because Biden resorted to name calling and wasn’t man enough to play I the President sandboc

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Tiney Thin
29 days ago

Name calling?Trump is a CLOWN and the worst President in American history a history that will end the day you guys decide to make him the dictator of America and he will pass it to Don Jr one day

Farrite Garoop
Farrite Garoop
Reply to  Johnny Dimentia
1 month ago

Are you Saying this is a Proud Dan Site.

Candle Knaut
Candle Knaut
Reply to  Johnny Dimentia
30 days ago

I still cannot understand Kathy Yon. Sounds like a broken Kazoo.

Johnny Dimentia
Johnny Dimentia
Reply to  Candle Knaut
29 days ago

but then did ya really miss anything? History suggests a no answer here

Kathleen
Kathleen
1 month ago

I couldn’t watch straight through because Joe looked embalmed. It was painful. He had his eyes closed and head bowed low whenever he wasn’t talking. (What was he doing? Did he not have the strength to hold his head up? Is this how he’d interface with world leaders?) We simply can’t have a weak, almost dead, low IQ, delusional, senile old goat leading this country.

Johnny Dimentia
Johnny Dimentia
Reply to  Kathleen
29 days ago

What if you had just turned your head sideways so you could not see the Tv?
And your last comment about Trump was disloyal and unAmerican. Wow, Pat is not going to like that one.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  Kathleen
29 days ago

Kathleen,
Biden was wiring a wire. He had his eyes closed & head bowed, trying to focus on the info he was being fed. Trump knew that, based on Biden’s refusal to be checked for an earpiece & wires. I theorize that’s why Trump kept interrupting Biden & distracting him.
No wonder Biden shouted “shut up!”

Joe Biden, the LochNess monster of swamp creatures, liar & plagiarizer.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/weird-appears-joe-bidens-wire-slipped-jacket-presidential-debate/

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Kathleen
29 days ago

Yes,Orange face is in ,you know like on a clown

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  jon doe
29 days ago

The failing New York Times, Jon?!!
Hardly a bastion of truth!

Jonathan Melle
Jonathan Melle
29 days ago

September 30, 2020

My native hometown of Pittsfield (Mass.) is once again being exhibited – this time in Beverly Hills (Cali.) – as an American small town in decay. I was born and raised in Pittsfield, which was a GE town that GE abandoned when I was a teenage student at Pittsfield High School in 1990. 30 years later, there are no GE jobs left in Pittsfield. What is left is post industrial America where Yale Professor and Great Barrington (Mass.) Gregory Crewdson resident shows Pittsfield in large photo prints to wealthy museum visitors in London, NYC, and L.A. I don’t know how I feel about all of this because I have an emotional attachment to Pittsfield. I understand the point Gregory Crewdson is making, but it also upsets me. I am happy I don’t live in Pittsfield anymore because it is has a lot of socioeconomic problems, as well as entrenched and corrupt state and local politicians. But I also hope that Pittsfield will someday get out of the proverbial ditch and at least do better for the marginalized people who still live there.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/photographer-gregory-crewdson-who-influences-moody-tv-dramas-debuts-new-gagosian-show

Jonathan A. Melle

GMHeller
GMHeller
29 days ago

Who won? Look for the answer in crowd sizes at rallies following the debate. Ten-thousand (maybe more) attending Trump’s rally the next day at a Duluth airport. Compared to a couple hundred (if that) at whistlestops as the Biden train treks across Ohio and Pennsylvania. (Or is this low-energy slog more aptly titled Biden’s ‘trainwreck’?)

Last edited 29 days ago by GMHeller
Johnny Dimentia
Johnny Dimentia
Reply to  GMHeller
29 days ago

Who won? Putin won as per usual.

jon doe
jon doe
Reply to  GMHeller
29 days ago

A dog can lead sheep. Not exactly an indicator of anything except the willingness to follow blindly.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  GMHeller
29 days ago

I agree, GM. No crowds flocking to see China Joe.

Pat
Pat
29 days ago

The left has plans for election night for all scenarios. They are planning the fundamental transformation of American.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqzRNatyOg

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
29 days ago

Trump is your white supremacist candidate.You love him or you hate him and the marist comments are so you can justify the vote againts Moderate Senator and moderate Attorneys General who will save democracy and send these guys back into the shadows

Spagirlfrommass
Spagirlfrommass
29 days ago

It’s time to kill the debates. They no longer serve their purpose.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Spagirlfrommass
29 days ago

That’s what MSNBC and CNN are saying because they don’t want Joe on public view anymore than they have to do so. The stakes are very high for this election with two very different world views. If tempers flare during the debate, it’s a reflection of what the country is going through right now. There should have been a rebuttal period so each person has a chance to respond to the other person and didn’t feel the need to talk over the other person. Wallace didn’t do that which was another failure on his part. The next debate will have a much needed rebuttal period.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
29 days ago

The judge has made a decision and maybe you will understand that fox news is not a place that is expected to tell the truth.

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Pat
29 days ago

Putin won Pat…relax

Merguez
Merguez
29 days ago

How many of these pro-Trump comments on this post are from angry middle-aged and older white men? 99.9%? Yeah, I thought so. Hanging on to Trump isn’t going to preserve your privilege – just sayin’.

RNtoo
RNtoo
Reply to  Merguez
29 days ago

National politics bring them out on this page. I think Dan should avoid it and keep it local.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  RNtoo
29 days ago

Yes, I agree. God knows there is enough to deal with in Pittsfield particularly and in the county as well.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  Merguez
29 days ago

That’s a good leftist – shut down free speech, especially when it goes against your viewpoint!

James
James
Reply to  danvalenti
29 days ago

I agree empowering the trumplodytes to go on and on here gives the local pols fodder to call you fringe.

jon doe
jon doe
Reply to  danvalenti
29 days ago

I would limit it to 90 days prior to the election. Having to constantly sift through Pat, Fritz and others constantly spamming this site with their conspiracy theory wingnut websites is a major annoyance. I would prefer things be kept local.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  jon doe
29 days ago

Start your own leftist blog, Doe.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

You could call your blog “Planet Swamp Creatures.”

jon doe
jon doe
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
28 days ago

I’m actually quite centric. I’ve voted for plenty of Republicans in my day and was even a campaign manager for one. But I’m not stupid enough to support the biggest huckster that ever entered the Oval Office. I vote for the person and the good of the country, not the party line. And the republican party as we knew it is now dead. When Trump is gone. all these republicans in office will try to redeem themselves, but the devil doesn’t return your soul.

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  RNtoo
29 days ago

Local sucks. Same damn thing in here every day since the Planet started.

Can you say “GOBSIG!”?

RNtoo just another vintage whine to suppress speech that the Left doesn’t agree with.

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  Merguez
29 days ago

Should we mark you words?

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  Edward R. Murrow
29 days ago

I leave that to you, Mr. Murrow. Just be mindful of the fact that your grandchildren, if they are white, will be living at a time when whites will be the minority. Groups like the Proud Boys are clinging to a past when white men ruled and it is going away.

Mr. Fritz
Mr. Fritz
Reply to  Merguez
29 days ago

The leader of the Proud Boys is a black man.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

No.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

He’s Cuban with maybe some African heritage

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  Mr. Fritz
29 days ago

so what?

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  Merguez
29 days ago

I’m not going to have any grandchildren, Einstein.

Proud boys 10 to 20% people of color.

So says the BLACK professor at a HISTORICALLY BBBBLLLLAAAAAACCCCKKKK COLLEGE.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  Edward R. Murrow
29 days ago

Proud Boys, must be the modern-day version of the Van Buren Boys.

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Merguez
28 days ago

Where do you think the white people are going? Why will they be a minority? I thought all people were going to be equal in a Marxist paradise or will it be more like Germany?

J2S
J2S
Reply to  Merguez
29 days ago

Dan isn’t stopping the angry middle aged or older white non Trump supporters from posting.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  J2S
29 days ago

And he shouldn’t stop them. Let them vent. And the rest of us should keep bringing them back to reality. GE is gone, middle class jobs that merely required a high school diploma – gone, competition for good jobs not just from other ‘Mericans but from WOMEN and from immigrants and from those living outside the USA. World is changing rapidly and Trump knows that if he exploits nostalgia for manufacturing jobs and coal mining he’ll get some votes – but the reality is NONE of those are coming back. Wake UP! BTW, props to the poster who said Biden looked embalmed – that is absolutely the truth. Just embrace your age, Joe. A real face is better than an embalmed face is better than an orange face, (no disrespect to ‘Cuse, Dan) with a pelt on top.

Spider
Spider
29 days ago

When I first heard that Wallace would be the moderator I knew what to expect. And I was correct. If you have ever watched his weekly TV program, you know how much he dislikes Trump.

Mad Trapper (earlier) was right when he said “Wallace entered the debate rather than moderating”. Bad decision by Fox!

The school committee
The school committee
Reply to  Spider
29 days ago

Yes,Sean Hannity would have been great.

Spider
Spider
Reply to  The school committee
29 days ago

Actually, you may be right!

jon doe
jon doe
Reply to  Spider
29 days ago

Yes, it was great watching Hannity after the debate try to spin that hot mess exhibition into a great display of leadership by Donald Trump, along with Sarah Huckabee and others agreeing. How these people keep a straight face while spouting such crap is beyond me.

Merguez
Merguez
Reply to  jon doe
29 days ago

Zero moral code. None.

neverinfor self
neverinfor self
Reply to  Spider
29 days ago

The only one who has been right is the Wiz. Right on local politics and National. Personally I miss the dude. And he was a mouthpiece for the Litle guy. And of course the GreatPlanet!

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  Spider
29 days ago

THAT MAD TRAPPER IS A GENIUS

J2S
J2S
Reply to  Spider
29 days ago

Why did Wallace bring up the race baiting question when he already knew the answer from a 2016 debate question to Trump?

https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2020/10/01/chris-wallace-nuked-his-credibility-with-white-supremacy-question-to-trump-and-heres-why-video/

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
29 days ago

Verdict on the debate, just in:

Biden won by TKO.

Both candidates insisted on punching themselves in the face repeatedly. Neither landed any punches on his opponent.

Trump and Biden both went to the canvas at the same time, but since Biden punched himself less, he was able to get up first.

Trump could have easily won if he would have allowed Biden to keep punching himself in the face, but the president insisted on repeatedly stopping Biden from doing this.

Pat
Pat
29 days ago

NPR announced today that twitter may have to shut down President Trump’s account after the election. The Left is already preparing us for their election tricks. They are having the media spread the lie that President Trump will not accept the election results when it was Hillary who told Biden to not accept the results under any circumstances. They are planning also to secede certain states if they do not get their way and to silence any voices that go against what the media will say are the true results after the election.

Edward R. Murrow
Edward R. Murrow
Reply to  Pat
29 days ago

Right, as if anyone at all on the Left has accepted the results of the 2016 election.

the NUDGE
the NUDGE
Reply to  Edward R. Murrow
29 days ago

Rest In Peace Joe S. Class Guy right till the end.

Thomas More
Thomas More
Reply to  Pat
29 days ago

States can’t secede. Read the constitution stupid. It spells out the ways a state can be come part of the United States. but no way that they can get out of the union.

Gigi
Gigi
Reply to  Thomas More
29 days ago

Tommy you’re a piece of work!

Pat
Pat
Reply to  Thomas More
29 days ago

You don’t get it….the far left wants to get rid of the constitution so they could then do whatever they want. They do not respect the constitution.

Aemelia Ear Hurts
Aemelia Ear Hurts
29 days ago

Yeah, let’s talk about local issues, such as the military helicopters at the airport seemingly almost every single day, like right now, and last night after dark. And every time you’re trying to enjoy a respite from the jets and jet fumes, or the idiots in their loud vehicles.

And what will we or any elected or appointed official–local, state, federal–do about it?

They won’t do dick.

Democracy is dead.